Discussion: Stem Cells

This article has been inspired by a conversation I had with Swubird.

Stem cells are cells that are found in most multi-cellular organisms; and have the ability to renew themselves through mitotic cell division (i.e. division of mother cell into daughter cells, genetically identical to each other and to their parents’ cell).

There are two types of mammalian stem cells: embryonic and adult.

This type of cells is already used in the treatment of leukaemia and some cases of anaemia, for example.
Furthermore, scientists predict that in the future stem cells research will lead to the treatment of cancer, Parkinson’s, spinal cord injuries, amyotrophic later sclerosis, multiples sclerosis, muscle damage etc.

Now, there has been a lot of controversy around this subject, stemming from the techniques used in the generation and usage of stem cells: to start a stem cell line it is required the destruction of a human embryo and/or therapeutic cloning.
Therapeutic cloning sounds dangerous, even if performed for the right reasons.
Imagine a scientist in the climax of its fervour (which can often be confounded with lack of scrupulosity): he begins by cloning a cell for therapeutic reasons, but then diverts to something adventurous...to try being a creator of human life...

The use of human embryos does raise an important question: is life being murdered?
Some would argue that using prospective life to extend somebody else’s life is not to be viewed as murder, but it is to be regarded as preserving life – and doing so is conducting things in a proper fashion, i.e. being ethical.
Others would question how right it is to end a life in order to save another; and how ethical is it to “play” with embryos?
On the other hand, some would ask: what’s preferable; to throw away millions of existing donated embryos or use them for research that eventually will lead to treatments that will save lives?
Tough questions, no doubt.
I would like to add one point to this discussion: there is a purpose behind all things, and God does seem to inspire scientists. Given this line of thought, if a scientist (back in the 60’s, when it all began) was inspired by a Higher Force to begin this type of research, in order to save the Lord’s creation (in the future), is it correct to imply that God’s Will is unethical?

There is nothing like controversy and a good debate. From these was born a new finding: adult stem cell lines can be manipulated to generate embryonic-like stem cell lines, by using a single-cell biopsy that may allow the creation of stem cells without having to destroy embryos.
What does this mean? It means exactly what happened in Spain last summer: Claudia Castillo, a 30 years old woman suffered from Tuberculosis which ruined her trachea; then the stem cells from her bone marrow were removed and used to build a new windpipe; avoiding thus the intake of immunosuppressive agents that could cause hypertension, kidney failure and cancer (for more details, please read here).

This level of medical comfort pleases many. However legislation must be designed in order to protect the embryonic and adult stem cells from abuse by vain & reckless scientists.
It must be clear what is the real purpose of the manipulation of such cells; how the state intends to control its use; and what will be the punishment for scientific misconduct (scientists must know that if they divert from the real goal of using stem cells, they will be incarcerated with no parole: one can’t juggle with human life).

But what is your opinion on this subject: is it ethical or unethical?



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  1. I once took a test in a college biology class that was designed to make us think about ethics and science. It asked us to rate on a scale of 1-5 how we felt about certain practices. It gave us certain situations and asked us to rate how we felt about it. For example, it said something like, "Mary and Bill cannot have a baby. They have been told to try invitro fertilization. Rate your feelings about this procedure." Then it would escalate ever so slightly. "Mary and Bill cannot have a baby, and have been told about invitro fertilization, but Bill is infertile. It has been suggested they use donor sperm. Rate your feelings about this". Then the test escalated even more. "Scientists in a lab use chimps to do cloning. Rate your feelings about that." Then it escalated further. "One scientist decides to try impregnating a chimp with human sperm. Rate your feelings about that."
    Clearly, the lesson I learned from this test was that even though we have the technology to perform certain things, ethically we shouldn't. God does bless us with knowledge ane ability, but He also blesses us with a conscience to choose between what is moral, and what isn't. The problem today is that because of degradation of morals in society, many people have stopped listening to their conscience. I remember hearing or reading lately that stem cells from adults can be more effective than stem cells from embroys. I think ethically we should pursue other sources than embryos.

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  2. Being in R&D myself, I feel that the entire discussion has gone mad. There are invariably thousands - if not millions - of potential R&D opportunities, but they have to be prioritized given limited funds and researchers. As you have noted, the various adult stem cell efforts are getting along just fine. Embryonic stem cells haven't shown similar promise because they aren't adapted to a specific organism and usually result in cancer. The moral concern for the future is women getting pregnant to produce fetuses and turning them into some sort of industrial machinery.

    The ethical questions here are several, but the compromise under Bush was this: states, foreign governments and the private sector could fund embryonic stem cell research, but the federal government couldn't. The screaming by the left probably resulted in more funding for embryonic stem cell research than if there never had been a ban and everything proceeded quietly. Dr. Frankenstein was only symbolically inhibited, so why the screaming and yelling?

    The real issue was with the abortion lobby, which was offended that some people view abortion as murder, and the embryonic stem cell research ban was a corollary to this view. The lifting of the ban by Obama was a statement that the moral values of a large portion of America aren't valid.

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  3. Hi Max,

    How are you?

    Ah, stem cells. It sound like Frankenstein's monster. Anything we do to manipulate the natural cycle of life can be dangerous because if we alter one thing, then we alter something else. (Similar to prescription drugs that help one ailment and cause others.)
    Sometimes the results are beneficial, other times detrimental.

    We have to address several issues - whether it will provide a better life, i.e. longevity; curing a disease; mitigating pain, etc.

    I think of all the advances scientists have made and yet they can't even come up with a cure for the common cold.

    I know that in the future stem cells may be used to treat include Parkinson's disease, spinal cord injuries, Alzheimer's disease, stroke, skin burns, arthritis, birth defects, diabetes and heart disease, but I think they still have a long way to go.

    Human stem cells can also be used to test new drugs and in medical treatments that now require organ donors. The need for organ donors currently outweighs the available supply.

    "The use of human embryos does raise an important question: is life being murdered?"

    First we have to ascertain when life begins, i.e. when does Soul incarnate into the embryo/fetus?

    Three men were discussing the question of when life begins. They were a Catholic priest, a Protestant minister, and a Jewish rabbi. The Catholic priest said, "We believe that life begins as conception." The Protestant replied, "We believe that life begins when the baby draws it's first breath. Then the rabbi said, "No, you are both wrong. Life begins after the kids have all moved out and the dog dies."

    I don't think we really know do you?

    "Others would question how right it is to end a life in order to save another; and how ethical is it to “play” with embryos?"

    No, it's not right. I never understood why radicals kill doctors in order to "save" unborn babies. That doesn't make sense.

    "On the other hand, some would ask: what’s preferable; to throw away millions of existing donated embryos or use them for research that eventually will lead to treatments that will save lives?"

    I feel that more research has to be done in order for me to make an informed decision. It's not that black and white, it's a gray area.

    "...if a scientist (back in the 60’s, when it all began) was inspired by a Higher Force to begin this type of research, in order to save the Lord’s creation (in the future), is it correct to imply that God’s Will is unethical?"

    No, God's will is not unethical, but we may not know all the reasons for his will. That's one that we are discovering as we live.

    This is a stimulating debate and depending on the day, somedays I think it's ethical while other days, I may say it's unethical. I really would have to see more facts, weigh the pros and cons and review test studies, nevertheless it IS a subject that is still in progress.

    Thanks for a dynamic discussion today.

    Living Cheers.

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  4. Hello Max!

    Great article and such timing: right on when the subject is being largely discussed in the US.

    Great findings have also been discovered by people who believe in God; thus scientists, most of the times, believe to be inspired by a Higher Force.
    God's Will isn't unethical, however the way one acts upon his/her calling can derail into ugliness.
    Stem Cells research, as long as it is regulated, can become ethical for each researcher will be fully aware of the boundaries.

    Congratulations!

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  5. Hi Max,

    I love the way you have succinctly explained the controversy. Well done.

    I believe that stem cell research is here to stay. However, with all types of research, as with everything that we humans do, there are two sides; to simplify, "good" and "evil." As we grow and mature, as a people, the divide between the two get more and more blurred, ands harder to distinguish. I think that all avenues of stem cell research should be pursued, with certain rules in place.

    Now the big question......"Who will make the rules? Obviously, the rules are made by "man", who is basically flawed. This takes us in a circle without any absolute right or wrong answers.

    Are you confused yet?.....because I think I just confused myself. (LOL)

    To try and bring it home......"good" and "evil", "right" and "wrong" are not that clearly definable and more. It almost leads us towards: "What is the greater good?" However, that can, and has, lead us down a very dangerous path.

    So it really comes down to personal opinion, fueled by who we are. My personal opinion is that we should pursue the greater good, as long as current life is not harmed. Embryos that will be discarded anyways should be used for research that could save lives.

    I don't think I will re-read this response......it will probably give me a headache.

    I need cookies!!!!!

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  6. MAX - I left a lengthy comment on this post. Did you delete it for some reason?

    (I'm upset if it didn't upload and it's lost.)

    Miss ya!

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  7. Hi! Of course there has to be some legislation to control stem cell research but what about the ones who will go outside the law. Somewhere, no doubt, someone is working outside accepted practices in the hope of making a quick buck.

    Take Care,
    Peter

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  8. Hey D!

    :D

    That is an excellent test! Now, the way it escalates is quite frightening, isn't it?

    "God does bless us with knowledge ane ability, but He also blesses us with a conscience to choose between what is moral, and what isn't."

    Well said.

    "The problem today is that because of degradation of morals in society, many people have stopped listening to their conscience."

    So very true, darling!

    "I remember hearing or reading lately that stem cells from adults can be more effective than stem cells from embroys. I think ethically we should pursue other sources than embryos."

    I heard that too: embryonic stem cells cause the body to reject them, may cause cancer and it hasn't presented a successful cure case yet (from what I read somewhere).
    Thanks for answering the question :D!

    D, thank you ever so much for your superb input: it was a delight hearing :D!

    Cheers

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  9. Hey Looney :D!

    "Embryonic stem cells haven't shown similar promise because they aren't adapted to a specific organism and usually result in cancer. The moral concern for the future is women getting pregnant to produce fetuses and turning them into some sort of industrial machinery."

    That's what I have read. And that moral concern is quite pertinent. Can you imagine women getting pregnant in exchange for money just to produce foetuses to be used in labs? It is a moral nightmare.
    The unethical possibilities are enumerous; and I wonder if legislations will be able to cover everything whole...and what doors will be opened for future unethical acts?

    "The ethical questions here are several, but the compromise under Bush was this: states, foreign governments and the private sector could fund embryonic stem cell research, but the federal government couldn't. The screaming by the left probably resulted in more funding for embryonic stem cell research than if there never had been a ban and everything proceeded quietly. Dr. Frankenstein was only symbolically inhibited, so why the screaming and yelling?"

    Good question. But don't you think that when funding is done by the private sector, that it becomes more difficult to control abuse?
    Knowing that the left tends to think that it is more honest than everybody else, I assume they wish the government to fund it so that it becomes easier for it to control it (although it is not always the case).

    "The real issue was with the abortion lobby, which was offended that some people view abortion as murder, and the embryonic stem cell research ban was a corollary to this view. The lifting of the ban by Obama was a statement that the moral values of a large portion of America aren't valid."

    I can understand where this argument is coming from; however I don't see how it is related with abortion (and mind you; I am against it).

    Looney, fantastic input: thank you so much! You know I enjoy conversing with you a lot :D! I always learn something knew with you *bowing*!

    Cheers

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  10. Hi Alexys :D!

    "How are you?"

    I am fine, thank you; and yourself? :)

    "Ah, stem cells. It sound like Frankenstein's monster. Anything we do to manipulate the natural cycle of life can be dangerous because if we alter one thing, then we alter something else. (Similar to prescription drugs that help one ailment and cause others.)
    Sometimes the results are beneficial, other times detrimental."

    This is an understandble viewpoint.

    "We have to address several issues - whether it will provide a better life, i.e. longevity; curing a disease; mitigating pain, etc."

    True. And from what I have read, there have been some trial treatments that have proved to cure several diseases; that people who have Parkinson's, for example, have stopped quivering; and people who couldn't walk began walking after injecting stem cells that repaired the damaged tissues, cells etc...it's amazing! But we should not get carried away yet...we need to know more.

    "I think of all the advances scientists have made and yet they can't even come up with a cure for the common cold."

    So true. It goes to show that science is not perfect (well, and it will never be...since it was created by imperfect beings).

    "I know that in the future stem cells may be used to treat include Parkinson's disease, spinal cord injuries, Alzheimer's disease, stroke, skin burns, arthritis, birth defects, diabetes and heart disease, but I think they still have a long way to go."

    They still have a long way to go, but if they don't have the means or the authorisation to do it, they may never get there. The question is: should they be allowed to procede with their research and how far should they go?
    I can tell you that I feel comfortable knowing that the diseases you mentioned will eventually be cured, it is a relief (just like it was many years ago, when they found out the cure for so many diseases and improved the health of our society); nevertheless I ask myself: what is the price for this comfort?

    "Human stem cells can also be used to test new drugs and in medical treatments that now require organ donors. The need for organ donors currently outweighs the available supply."

    Good point!

    "First we have to ascertain when life begins, i.e. when does Soul incarnate into the embryo/fetus?"

    Bingo!! Man, I was going to mention it, but then I left it out to see who would address it...and "it had to be you...it had to be you...I've wandered around and finally found somebody who...." [stop, Max]....
    Nobody ever asks this...I think it is simpler to say that life starts at conception...but I have a theory on this, that I will share with you on a special article I am preparing for the end of the month.
    But thanks for having pressed an important button! :D

    "Three men were discussing the question of when life begins. They were a Catholic priest, a Protestant minister, and a Jewish rabbi. The Catholic priest said, "We believe that life begins as conception." The Protestant replied, "We believe that life begins when the baby draws it's first breath. Then the rabbi said, "No, you are both wrong. Life begins after the kids have all moved out and the dog dies.""

    LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL many parents would say the Rabbi is right! LOL LOL *nodding*...

    "I don't think we really know do you?"

    We may not know for sure, but as I said...I have a theory on this..."me aguarde, menina" (just you wait, girl) *smirk*!

    "No, it's not right. I never understood why radicals kill doctors in order to "save" unborn babies. That doesn't make sense."

    Oh, the pro-life who kill lives? It is quite a paradox...and mind you, I am against abortion myself; but I don't understand those radicals *nodding*.

    "I feel that more research has to be done in order for me to make an informed decision. It's not that black and white, it's a gray area."

    A responsible citizen...I like that :)!

    "No, God's will is not unethical, but we may not know all the reasons for his will. That's one that we are discovering as we live."

    Do we have to know the reasons for His Will? Is it our place to know?

    "This is a stimulating debate and depending on the day, somedays I think it's ethical while other days, I may say it's unethical. I really would have to see more facts, weigh the pros and cons and review test studies, nevertheless it IS a subject that is still in progress."

    I battle with myself too, you are not alone. I agree with you! I want to see more positive results, however in order for them to show us those results they have to have the chance to do it, right?

    "Thanks for a dynamic discussion today."

    You are welcome, Lady A :D!

    And thank YOU, for your superb input: it took my mind to another level *bowing*!

    Living Cheers

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  11. Hi Mel :D!

    "I love the way you have succinctly explained the controversy. Well done."

    Thank you, darling *bowing*!

    "I believe that stem cell research is here to stay. However, with all types of research, as with everything that we humans do, there are two sides; to simplify, "good" and "evil." As we grow and mature, as a people, the divide between the two get more and more blurred, ands harder to distinguish. I think that all avenues of stem cell research should be pursued, with certain rules in place."

    At least it is nice to think that it is and that it will lead to somewhere positive.
    I am glad you brought this up: good and evil. This is the problem behind this controversy. Scientists may mean well, and good may be the premise of their work, however when they get excited with a finding, evil takes over and may divert them from the good intentions...and this is why legislation must cover the higher number of infractions possible, so that scientists are kept on their toes...but is it possible?

    "Now the big question......"Who will make the rules? Obviously, the rules are made by "man", who is basically flawed. This takes us in a circle without any absolute right or wrong answers."

    Another great point! It is a cycle of imperfection (inherent to human condition). And that is why it is so difficult to deal with this subject.

    "Are you confused yet?.....because I think I just confused myself. (LOL)"

    LOL LOL no, I am not confused yet LOL...no, you are doing just fine!

    "To try and bring it home......"good" and "evil", "right" and "wrong" are not that clearly definable and more. It almost leads us towards: "What is the greater good?" However, that can, and has, lead us down a very dangerous path."

    Fantastic...but there will be people that will argue that if you follow the Standard of Good (God) you will be more capable of not derailing into evil. Do you agree? And how would we know who really follows this Standard of Good or not? Cause humans lie...

    "So it really comes down to personal opinion, fueled by who we are. My personal opinion is that we should pursue the greater good, as long as current life is not harmed. Embryos that will be discarded anyways should be used for research that could save lives."

    I hear you, Mel!

    "I don't think I will re-read this response......it will probably give me a headache."

    LOL LOL no need...it was perfect!

    "I need cookies!!!!!"

    Shall I bake some for you, buddy :D?

    Mel, thank you ever so much for your outstanding input! You brought up ethics in its purest form: I missed it :D!

    Cheers

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  12. Hi Circulus Ciceronis :D!

    "Great article and such timing: right on when the subject is being largely discussed in the US."

    Thank you *bowing*! I would like to say that it was a coincidence...but I don't believe in it. I had this article prepared for quite a while and when I scheduled it for last Tuesday, I didn't know it would be a hot topic in the US...although this subject has been discussed for quite a while, right? I remember that it started being discussed in Italy in 2006...

    "Great findings have also been discovered by people who believe in God; thus scientists, most of the times, believe to be inspired by a Higher Force."

    I agree with you.

    "God's Will isn't unethical, however the way one acts upon his/her calling can derail into ugliness."

    Absolutely! God provides the tools, what we do with those tools are our responsibility and He shouldn't be blamed for our mistakes, right?
    But I was thinking, what if this research is what God wants? What if this is a tool He gave us so that we can go back to live longer like back in the days?

    "Stem Cells research, as long as it is regulated, can become ethical for each researcher will be fully aware of the boundaries."

    I agree.

    "Congratulations!"

    Thank you so much *bowing*!

    C.C. I must thank you so very much for your excellent input: I love you, guys :D!

    Cheers

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  13. Hey Lynda :D!

    "I left a lengthy comment on this post. Did you delete it for some reason?"

    No, darling...I wasn't even here, in the blogosphere, yesterday! So, no...I didn't delete it; and if I had I would've advised you.

    "(I'm upset if it didn't upload and it's lost.)"

    Don't be! It happens...we just need to double check if the comment passed through (you wouldn't imagine the times this has happened to me)...so, don't worry :D!

    "Miss ya!"

    I miss you too, my friend *hug*!

    Lynda, thank you for having reported this to me and brought your lovely self back to MAX :D!

    Cheers

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  14. Hi Peter :D!

    "Of course there has to be some legislation to control stem cell research but what about the ones who will go outside the law. Somewhere, no doubt, someone is working outside accepted practices in the hope of making a quick buck."

    Good point! I don't think the law will be able to control everybody at 100%, but at least they will know what happens if they get caught; and that should work as a deterrent, don't you think so?
    So true...

    Peter, thank you so much for bringing up another good point :D!

    Cheers

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  15. Hi Max,

    I am just fine, thanks.

    "...there have been some trial treatments that have proved to cure several diseases; that people who have Parkinson's, for example, have stopped quivering; and people who couldn't walk began walking after injecting stem cells that repaired the damaged tissues, cells etc...it's amazing!"

    I didn't know that. That is amazing and only a good thing for wellness in general.

    "It goes to show that science is not perfect (well, and it will never be...since it was created by imperfect beings)."

    Exactly. Sometimes I can't but to think that scientists are trying to perfect a race that is meant to be flawed - but that's another story. They have made good strides in solving the dilemma of the human.

    "...what is the price for this comfort?"

    Now that's the million dollar question. What IS the price? Who has to die for others to live?

    "Bingo!! Man, I was going to mention it, but then I left it out to see who would address it...and "it had to be you...it had to be you...I've wandered around and finally found somebody who...." [stop, Max]...."

    LOL. I just heard that song in a film - one of many that use that song.

    "Nobody ever asks this...I think it is simpler to say that life starts at conception...but I have a theory on this, that I will share with you on a special article I am preparing for the end of the month.
    But thanks for having pressed an important button! :D"

    I can't wait to hear it. I'm sure it will be worth the weight.

    "LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL many parents would say the Rabbi is right! LOL LOL *nodding*..."

    I knew someone who moved to L.A. and when he went back home, he found that his parents had moved without telling him. LOL. (He has since found them.)

    "I don't understand those radicals *nodding*."

    Lunatic fringe.

    "Do we have to know the reasons for His Will? Is it our place to know?"

    It would be nice to know if we are following his will or our will. Not thy will, thy will be done. If we are followers of God, then we should know his will. We shouldn't drive it, but we should be driven by it. Don't you think?

    "I battle with myself too, you are not alone. I agree with you! I want to see more positive results, however in order for them to show us those results they have to have the chance to do it, right?"

    Yes, I understand that. We need money for research and we need humans. Anyway we look at it, we need bodies. I just saw a news report where a cartel robbed crematoriums for body parts to sell overseas : -o


    "...it took my mind to another level *bowing*!"

    Thanks.

    Living Well Cheers!

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  16. MAX:

    Whenever issues like this appear on the public radar, they seem to arouse a lot of debate over what God does and doesn't want us to do with our gifts. And I am always amazed by the number of people on this planet who actually think they know the answers to those questions. Astounding. In fact, innocent human beings have been slaughtered because one party believes he or she is doing God's work. Onward Christian sodiers.

    I am not insensitive to these important and weighty issues, and I am aware of necessity for ethical debate. But I will not get on a soapbox and clam that I know what God wants. Who can debate God's infiite wisdom?

    It seems to me, though, that I am here, I have a brain, I have the ability to save life, and I have the wisdom to proceed with moral prudence. Having said that, however, I will not act with righteous pomposity. One only has to consider the sad plight of Galileo Galilei to comprehend the danger inherent in that scenario.

    Yes, we need justice and a code of honor. But there will always be fraud, malfeasance and down right poor judgment. That's a given. So at least let us error on the side of saving human life and suffering. After all, I thought our ultimate goal was to to ensure the improvement of human health and welfare.

    By the way, please let me know when you find THE answer.

    Another great post from your side of the water.

    Go in peace, and remember...

    Happy trails.

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  17. Hi Lady A!

    "I am just fine, thanks."

    Music to my ears :D!

    "I didn't know that. That is amazing and only a good thing for wellness in general."

    Indeed it is...but we need, perhaps, more successful cases in order to be sure that it really works.

    "Exactly. Sometimes I can't but to think that scientists are trying to perfect a race that is meant to be flawed - but that's another story. They have made good strides in solving the dilemma of the human."

    I agree with you!

    "Now that's the million dollar question. What IS the price? Who has to die for others to live?"

    Indeed...now this made me think, how many died for us to have the comfort we already have. Scientists have done some awful tests on people, in the past, to discover the things that we take for granted nowadays...

    "LOL. I just heard that song in a film - one of many that use that song."

    LOL true, that song is in many films. But it is a lovely song, isn't it?

    "I can't wait to hear it. I'm sure it will be worth the weight."

    You won't be sorry, girl...keyword: controversy lol.

    "I knew someone who moved to L.A. and when he went back home, he found that his parents had moved without telling him. LOL. (He has since found them.)"

    ROFL ROFL ROFL...really? Poor parents...sometimes I think we take them for granted as well. We tend to forget that they are humans as well lol.

    "Lunatic fringe."

    *nodding in agreement*

    "If we are followers of God, then we should know his will. We shouldn't drive it, but we should be driven by it. Don't you think?"

    His basic Will is ours to know: follow Him. But I confess that I dare not questioning God beyond this lol...
    I totally agree with you "We shouldn't drive it, but we should be driven by it"...but if we know that we are to follow Him, and that we should be driven by this...why is it still so difficult for some to do it? Are they failing the test, or are they fulfilling part of His plan?

    "Yes, I understand that. We need money for research and we need humans. Anyway we look at it, we need bodies. I just saw a news report where a cartel robbed crematoriums for body parts to sell overseas : -o"

    :O...well, I heard somewhere that body parts can be worth up to $200,000...can you imagine that? *nodding*!

    "Thanks."

    Don't mention it...you did it, girl :D!

    Live Long and Prosper Cheers

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  18. Hey Swu :D!

    "Whenever issues like this appear on the public radar, they seem to arouse a lot of debate over what God does and doesn't want us to do with our gifts. And I am always amazed by the number of people on this planet who actually think they know the answers to those questions. Astounding. In fact, innocent human beings have been slaughtered because one party believes he or she is doing God's work. Onward Christian sodiers."

    Now you have addressed an interesting subject: indeed, we do not know what God wants when it comes to these issues. We do know He wants us to follow and serve Him, but do we focus on that? No.
    For all I know, He could have inspired scientists to help prolong human life. Will mistakes be made along the process? No doubt (it is inherent to human condition) and He knows it.
    But when certain subjects come up, people are quick to affirm what God wants or does not want and accuse this and that of being a sin...however, at the same time it is good that this debate is being held, for scientists need to know that we are keeping an eye on them.

    "I am not insensitive to these important and weighty issues, and I am aware of necessity for ethical debate. But I will not get on a soapbox and clam that I know what God wants. Who can debate God's infiite wisdom?"

    Many think they can...

    "It seems to me, though, that I am here, I have a brain, I have the ability to save life, and I have the wisdom to proceed with moral prudence. Having said that, however, I will not act with righteous pomposity. One only has to consider the sad plight of Galileo Galilei to comprehend the danger inherent in that scenario."

    I agree with you.

    "Yes, we need justice and a code of honor. But there will always be fraud, malfeasance and down right poor judgment. That's a given. So at least let us error on the side of saving human life and suffering. After all, I thought our ultimate goal was to to ensure the improvement of human health and welfare."

    Well put.

    "By the way, please let me know when you find THE answer."

    LOL...what makes you think I will find it?

    "Another great post from your side of the water."

    Thank you, Swu...*bowing*!

    "Go in peace, and remember...Happy trails."

    Go in peace, Swu.

    Swubird, thank you so much for your input: it was nice hearing your viewpoint on this issue :D!

    Cheers

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  19. Hi Max,

    "Scientists have done some awful tests on people, in the past, to discover the things that we take for granted nowadays."

    Yes, they have. And those poor rabbits who have to suffer with mascara so we can look beautiful.

    "LOL true, that song is in many films. But it is a lovely song, isn't it?"

    It IS.

    "You won't be sorry, girl...keyword: controversy lol."

    As in Controversy (by Prince.)

    "I heard somewhere that body parts can be worth up to $200,000...can you imagine that? *nodding*!"

    OMG. It is sad to know that I am worth more dead than alive. :-o

    Hear! Hear! Live Long and Prosper Cheers!

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  20. Hi Max - what a great contribution to raise the question on this important subject. I wish I was better in English to express myself, but anyway:

    The bottom line is that I think it is unethical. Mankind should not try to manipulate nature as we can't see the consequences. The thought of that we can do better than nature, or can divide between what is better or worse in the nature is a disaster.

    Its the same as how wrong it is with gene manipulation; as if mankind can sort out what's the best in the long way?

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  21. Oh Max you sure know how to provide great questions for debate.

    There are so many questions I have on this one and am really undecided, mainly, when does life start? at conception, then we have a problem or at least another question, do we sacrifice one for many?

    No simple questions and answers on this one.

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  22. Hey Max, this is not easy question to answer. Like Bob, the question is when the life starts. Anything that will eventually produce a human being is a life to me, and I am talking about human life. So if comes to embryonic stem cells, I hate to tell you, I am against, even if they have methods around it not to destroy them. I really believe that we are smart enough to find these stem cells in other areas if comes to helping others, and there are other areas. Max, this is just me, once I had my baby, and just seeing that my Matthew evolved from sperm and an egg, just blows me away, how amazing this process is, I can only visualize, thus I wouldn't be able to support the experimental process, even if there are thousands of them stored.

    On the side note, I think God created us smart enough to think both ways, that way on the end we make the right decision. I think it is good idea to have some to oppose that research because if we do this research, the opposed side will keep an eye on the scientists.

    So Max my dear friend, here is my two cents, lol...hope I did not offend anyone!

    BTW you know I am storing stem cells from Matthew's umbilical cord blood, hopefully we may never use it, but it is just an insurance for us.

    Max dear friend excellent discussion, and thanks for the comment on the story blob about the same.

    Anna :)

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  23. Hello Alexys!

    "Yes, they have. And those poor rabbits who have to suffer with mascara so we can look beautiful."

    Rabbits, rats, monkeys, dogs...

    "As in Controversy (by Prince.)"

    OMG...I love that song! You are reading my mind, girl!

    "OMG. It is sad to know that I am worth more dead than alive. :-o"

    LOL LOL LOL....are you sure? To me you are worth more alive than dead :)!

    Life Cheers

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  24. Hey Renny :D!

    "Hi Max - what a great contribution to raise the question on this important subject. I wish I was better in English to express myself, but anyway:"

    Thank you, my friend *bowing*! Just throw it at us, we'll get it :D!

    "The bottom line is that I think it is unethical. Mankind should not try to manipulate nature as we can't see the consequences. The thought of that we can do better than nature, or can divide between what is better or worse in the nature is a disaster."

    This is a valid argument...
    But, nature has been manipulated so many times in order to improve the health in our societies...was that unethical too?

    "Its the same as how wrong it is with gene manipulation; as if mankind can sort out what's the best in the long way?"

    I agree with you on this one: gene manipulation is like having the nazi syndrome *nodding*.

    Renny, thank you, thank you and thank you for your outstanding input: I loved it :D! Thank you *bowing*!

    Cheers

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  25. Hey Bob :D!

    "Oh Max you sure know how to provide great questions for debate."

    Thank you, Lord of the Astropics *bowing*!

    "There are so many questions I have on this one and am really undecided, mainly, when does life start? at conception, then we have a problem or at least another question, do we sacrifice one for many?"

    I hear you! You know I have a theory on this question, but I will address it at the end of the month (on a special article) - you will see that this question is quite controversial "when does life start?".
    Excellent questions!! There is a theory saying that to save many one may have to be sacrificed (and it is said that Jesus Christ is the example of this)...

    "No simple questions and answers on this one."

    I understand that...

    Bob, thank you so much for your input...you have touched an intended point :D!

    Cheers

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  26. Hey Anna :D!

    "Hey Max, this is not easy question to answer. Like Bob, the question is when the life starts. Anything that will eventually produce a human being is a life to me, and I am talking about human life. So if comes to embryonic stem cells, I hate to tell you, I am against, even if they have methods around it not to destroy them."

    I hear you! Why do you hate to tell me? It is your opinion, darling...just shoot it! lol :)

    "I really believe that we are smart enough to find these stem cells in other areas if comes to helping others, and there are other areas. Max, this is just me, once I had my baby, and just seeing that my Matthew evolved from sperm and an egg, just blows me away, how amazing this process is, I can only visualize, thus I wouldn't be able to support the experimental process, even if there are thousands of them stored."

    I can appreciate it.
    However, it seems to me that scientists reached the adult stem cell through the research of embryonic stem cell - so this controversial method served a good purpose. Now, the question would be: if they have found out that adult stem cells work (because embryonic ones do not offer a cure, and are rejected by our organism - not to mention that it seems to create cancer), why do they insist on doing research on it? What is not being told exactly? Another tough question...

    "On the side note, I think God created us smart enough to think both ways, that way on the end we make the right decision. I think it is good idea to have some to oppose that research because if we do this research, the opposed side will keep an eye on the scientists."

    True...

    "So Max my dear friend, here is my two cents, lol...hope I did not offend anyone!"

    lol valuable two cents. Well, I don't think you have...but hey, it is your opinion and no one can hold it against you!

    "BTW you know I am storing stem cells from Matthew's umbilical cord blood, hopefully we may never use it, but it is just an insurance for us."

    No, I didn't know that...but it is a smart thing to do. I hear you, girl!

    "Max dear friend excellent discussion, and thanks for the comment on the story blob about the same."

    Thanks, darling *bowing*! You are most welcome, Anna :D!

    My dear friend, thank you ever so much for your fantastic input: I loved it :D! Boy, did I ever...

    Cheers

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  27. Max,

    "To me you are worth more alive than dead."

    Thanks. :D :D :D :D :D :D

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  28. It is an interesting controversy, and I believe, a necessary one, because both sides have good points.

    I would hate to see medicine experiments performed without any laws. We have all read these horrific - fiction - medical thrillers, like Robin Cook's, where money is more important than ethic...

    Yet, I believe in science and I believe in the future. I believe it is our duty to try new technologies and new process to help patients. I am personally in favor of stem cell research... as long as there is a good law defining what is okay and what is not.

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  29. Alexys,

    You are welcome, darling *huge smile*!

    Smiling cheers

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  30. Hey Zhu :D!

    "It is an interesting controversy, and I believe, a necessary one, because both sides have good points."

    Indeed...

    "I would hate to see medicine experiments performed without any laws. We have all read these horrific - fiction - medical thrillers, like Robin Cook's, where money is more important than ethic..."

    Absolutely, girl! And when money becomes more important than ethics...the attrocities that can be made (I don't even like to imagine them) *nodding*. That is why I am all for laws, legislations to control this.

    "Yet, I believe in science and I believe in the future. I believe it is our duty to try new technologies and new process to help patients. I am personally in favor of stem cell research... as long as there is a good law defining what is okay and what is not."

    Good, good...

    Zhu, thank you so very much for your input: it was highly appreciated :D! Loved it!

    Cheers

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  31. if this could save lives what is the reason to waste lives. i hope this issue resolve ethically & humanly.

    nice article.

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  32. Hey Jessie,

    Welcome :D!!

    That is also a good argument!

    Thanks for having dropped by and shared your thoughts on this :D!

    Know that you are very much welcome here *bowing*!

    Cheers

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