About Satan...


Satan, שָׂטָן, in Hebrew means: the Accuser, the Adversary.
In Judaism it is thought that the Accuser is a member of the Divine Council that looks after Humanity by following its activities closely with the sole purpose of searching for men’s sins, flaws, the rot within their souls and accuse them. This is the explanation behind his nickname “Divine Prosecutor” (the one that analyses human iniquities).
The evidence of his being a member of God’s High Court rests in the book of Job, when the sons of God along with the Accuser came to present themselves before the Lord, Who told Satan to behold His loyal servant, Job. The Accuser suggested God that He would allow him to take Job’s wealth away from him, to see if he would continue to be as loyal as he appeared to be. Of course Job passed the severe tests and in the end he was reward a hundredfold.
The most interesting part about the Jewish viewpoint is that it depicts a powerless Satan; it shows how little autonomy he has (since to test Job he had the need for God’s permission, which he couldn’t, nor can’t, ever transgress).

In Christianity, on the other hand, Satan is a totally independent creature, with high powers to practice evil, allegedly acting without needing God’s authorization.
Let’s take a glance at Lucifer (from the Latin word Lucifer, fera, ferum: bright, a light, that brings light): he was the most beautiful and brightest of God’s Angels, but his vanity made him believe that he could be, and do, more than his Creator. This petulance caused the Devil to be expelled from God’s presence and released onto the world. The day will come when he will be locked for eternity.
Some New-Born and Evangelical groups mention Satan as much as Jesus: if they become sick it’s Satan’s fault; if they make a bad decision which will result in a negative event, it’s the Devil’s fault; if they lose their job or money, Lucifer is the one to blame; if a calamity occurs Satan is coming to destroy the world; if a kid is a spoiled brat he must be possessed by the Devil…in summa, these people many times use Lucifer as a form of unaccountability for their own actions.
Christians often mistake Satan for evil spirits, which are two completely different things.

Mystics believe there are evil forces that seek to negatively influence those who are empty of any sort of spirituality; but they reject the Christian idea of Satan.
Notwithstanding they have the concept of Devil, which is:


This Major Arcana Tarot card represents “Capricorn; procreative energy; new vitality; humour; sensuality, sexuality; creative energy; individuality” [1].
The Devil is in the form of a white mountain goat with twisted horns, and along with the phallic column behind it, it represents creative energy in its most material and male aspects. The goat has an open third eye indicating his extensive abilities in the realm of extra-sensory perception: he sees beyond the obvious, going deeper into the essence of what he observes. The latter is the reason why he bears and expression of humorous satisfaction.
This card invites us primarily to cultivate our sense of humour for “only the ignorant are deadly serious and fully identified with their thoughts and actions” [1].

I rather see Satan as “The Accuser” (at the service of God’s celestial court) than perceiving him as a powerful and autonomous entity that feeds itself of human’s spiritual void. How about you?


I’m extremely curious about Livingsword’s views on this subject…come with me!


[1] in Tarot: Mirror of the Soul, Handbook for the Aleister Crowley Tarot by Gerd Ziegler.

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  1. Well, I tried to leave a comment, and either I left nothing, or I left two copies, I can't tell lol. If I don't see it, I'll repaste it later. If I did leave two..my appologies. :)

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  2. In our religion, we believe that Satan, like us, lived before we were born as a spirit child of God. However, he sought to make himself greater than God, and to take His glory, so was cast out, along with 1/3 of the host of heaven who followed him. They thereby will never receive a physical body such as we have. We do believe that one day he and his followers will be bound, and that all of his plans for glory will be for naught.

    (Isaiah 14:12-15) 12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
    13 For thou hast said in thine aheart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the amost High.
    15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

    He now seeks to make all men miserable like him. But God allows him to do this so that we have an opposition in all things. It gives us the chance to choose good from evil. If there were no evil, how would we learn the good?

    Some names I found in the Bible dictionary for him (including LDS scripture) "Prince of this world", "the adversary", "beelzebub, meaning the prince of the devils", "the wicked one", "the enemy", "Lucifer", "Satan", "prince of the power of the air", "Perdition", "son of the morning", "that old serpent", "the great dragon", "a murderer from the beginning", "a liar from the beginning", and "the accuser".

    When I think of him, I often think of the next verse from what I quoted above: 16 "They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;...?" and another scripture from the book of Moses, "12 And it came to pass that when Moses had said these words, behold, Satan came tempting him, saying: Moses, son of man, worship me.
    13 And it came to pass that Moses looked upon Satan and said: Who art thou? For behold, I am a son of God, in the similitude of his Only Begotten; and where is thy glory, that I should worship thee?"
    Satan may have the ability to tempt us, but God will always have the ability to save us if we seek Him.

    Kind of a jumble of thoughts here, hope you can see where my brain was going. :)

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  3. Hello Maximus my friend I look forward to seeing what you have presented…

    My expectations are high as I know how delicately and interestingly you layer your words togther…

    The Jewish section:
    I am not sure that Satan would be described as one that “looks after Humanity” as he does sit in opposition to them as an antagonist, and as adversary, etc. (points made in the Jewish Encyclopaedia which says he is one of those that “watches over human activity” but this is far from looking after humans).

    The Christian perceptive would agree with everything else more or less you said under the Jewish section of your article Max. Including the fact that Satan is “on a leash”, God decides how long to let it out etc…

    You said:
    In Christianity, on the other hand, Satan is a totally independent creature, with high powers to practice evil, allegedly acting without needing God’s authorization.

    I respond:
    I would beg to differ on this one my friend as I said earlier Satan is on a leash, God is Sovereign, all of this works within the parameters for example you expressed in regards to Job in the Jewish section. The New Testament presents Satan very similarly to that of the Old Testament it simply expands upon the subject additionally with a more macro view.

    You said:
    Let’s take a glance at Lucifer (from the Latin word Lucifer, fera, ferum: bright, a light, that brings light): he was the most beautiful and brightest of God’s Angels, but his vanity made him believe that he could be, and do, more than his Creator. This petulance caused the Devil to be expelled from God’s presence and released onto the world. The day will come when he will be locked for eternity.

    I respond:
    I don’t know if I would use the word “petulance”, more of an issue of “pride” from the Christian perspective as per my corresponding Graffiti article.

    In the end Satan will be thrown to the “lake of fire” forever as per my article again.

    You said:
    Some New-Born and Evangelical groups mention Satan as much as Jesus: if they become sick it’s Satan’s fault; if they make a bad decision which will result in a negative event, it’s the Devil’s fault; if they lose their job or money, Lucifer is the one to blame; if a calamity occurs Satan is coming to destroy the world; if a kid is a spoiled brat he must be possessed by the Devil…in summa, these people many times use Lucifer as a form of unaccountability for their own actions.

    I respond:
    I’m not sure what a “New-Born” is, unless you mean born again Christian which is what ALL Christians would claim as Jesus says “you must be born again” the “must” is emphatic an dimperative and is based upon having the Holy Spirit indwell your life, being “born of the Spirit”, this is hardly new as it has been a teaching since the founding of the Church. Of course the Spirit is also mentioned many times in the Old Testament.

    Those who you are speaking of as blaming the devil for everything are most often “Word of Faith” groups or “Prosperity Gospel” groups both of which call themselves Evangelical but are not, they actually teach anti-Biblical concepts and most often are con artists trying to get money off people. There are some Christians that are typically not Biblically literate involved in such groups but their teachings are anti-Biblical.

    That being said the Bible is clear that Satan is active in the world, but as a finite being (as are all demons, fallen angels) he can hardly be in on everything going on. Humans struggle with their own “flesh” as often as not.

    As you know I was recently injured in an accident. The fake groups would inevitably blame Satan for this kind of thing (my “lack” of faith, Satan, etc). I would chalk it up to human error (we are finite creatures that make mistakes, plus we also sin, but you could even make a case for God doing this for a greater good. Could it have been Satan or another fallen angel or demon? Possible but highly improbable. The Bible promises that there will be suffering, which echoes reality.

    Another factor is that a genuine follower of Jesus cannot be demon possessed.

    You said:
    Christians often mistake Satan for evil spirits, which are two completely different things.

    I respond:
    As the New Testament speaks of “evil spirits” which are fallen angels I would beg to differ on this one Max.

    You said:
    Mystics believe there are evil forces that seek to negatively influence those who are empty of any sort of spirituality; but they reject the Christian idea of Satan.

    I respond:
    Max would you please define “mystic” it is a rather nebulous term…

    You said:
    This Major Arcana Tarot card represents “Capricorn; procreative energy; new vitality; humour; sensuality, sexuality; creative energy; individuality”

    I respond:
    Interesting art work… (Although I prefer the art at the top of the article or on your header for that matter. LOL)

    I claim no expertise in tarot so I of course Googled it all. LOL

    I found this:

    The Devil - 15 - Capricorn. Addictions, materialism, limitations, bondage, ties.
    FROM: http://www.tarotforlifeguidance.co.uk/major_arcana

    The Devil indicates any sort of addiction or obsession, something with which we can tend to get "carried away", to the point of losing control over our actions. It signifies sexual desires, uncontrolled energy, running amok
    FROM: http://www.tarotpedia.com/wiki/Devil

    Perhaps the most misunderstood of all the major arcana, the Devil is not really "Satan" at all, but Pan the half-goat nature god and/or Dionysius. These are gods of pleasure and abandon, of wild behavior and unbridled desires. With Capricorn as its ruling sign, this is a card about ambitions; it is also synonymous with temptation and addiction. On the flip side, however, the card can be a warning to someone who is too restrained, someone who never allows themselves to get passionate or messy or wild - or ambitious. This, too, is a form of enslavement. As a person, the Devil can stand for a man of money or erotic power, aggressive, controlling, or just persuasive. This is not to say a bad man, but certainly a powerful man who is hard to resist. The important thing is to remind the Querent that any chain is freely worn. In most cases, you are enslaved only because you allow it.
    FROM: http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/learn/meanings/devil.shtml

    I would place this group into a similar category with those of the fake “Word of Faith” and “Prosperity Gospel” groups. The three fall into the “masquerades” category I have written about in my article.

    You said:
    I rather see Satan as “The Accuser” (at the service of God’s celestial court) than perceiving him as a powerful and autonomous entity that feeds itself of human’s spiritual void. How about you?

    I respond:
    Interesting how you interjected your personal viewpoint so clearly, you don’t typically do that Max; I find it bold, and refreshing…. :) LOL

    I believe we are very similar with our viewpoints

    Max this article was cleverly and studiously woven together, as usual you deliver a great read…. My compliments to you my wordsmith friend…

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  4. Max, thanks for writing this post. I too have a view quite similar to Livingsword's regarding Satan. The book of Job describes how God gives permission to harm Job and his family, but God gives Satan considerable freedom to choose the method. I don't think that the Christian views are any different on this.

    There is one thing that I was always taught in my conservative Christian upbringing: We must always keep our focus on God, rather than the devil. Job did this in that he and his friends spent all their time discoursing about God even as they faced calamities.

    For me, if a loved one is taken away I can only give thanks to God that I had a portion of my life to enjoy that loved one. If I suffer an injury, I give thanks that I was able to use the limb for a time and remind myself that my time to do God's will here on Earth is limited. Yes, there is evil and a devil prowling about that I must beware of, but the focus is always on God and salvation through Jesus.

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  5. As usual, when I visit max, I gain fresh insights. From my Catholic viewpoint, Satan is a fallen angel who desired to be greater than his creator. He is free to roam around and gather humans to join his flock (?) which is where sin and temptation comes in. Our job as Catholics is to resist him. Whatever sort of being he is, I know evil emanates from him and it is our cause to stop that evil into entering our lives.

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  6. Max,

    "I rather see Satan as “The Accuser” (at the service of God’s celestial court) than perceiving him as a powerful and autonomous entity that feeds itself of human’s spiritual void."

    Satan has so many names, so many roles, so many friends, so many enemies. It's hard to keep up. I think Satan is often used as a scapegoat. People do things and blame Satan, i.e. "The devil made me do it," instead of taking responsibility for their actions. As humans, we have dark moments and enlightening moments and we always have to balance our reactions to our surroundings by not letting the dark moments take over. I think Satan is always riding shotgun. It is always there, but we don't ever want it to fire the shot. We can overcome Satan by being a vehicle for God and not letting the negative influences permeate our Soul being.

    Awesome post my dear.

    Godly Cheers.

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  7. St. Augustine simply defined evil as the absence of good, and thus the absence of God. In his view, evil was nothing tangible; it was as darkness is to light and coldness is to heat. By the same token, I'd like to think of Satan as that very spiritual void that plagues humanity, that tempts us to do bad, and that leads us astray. Satan is not that little pitchfork guy sitting on your shoulder whenever you make a tough decision; rather, he's the only thing left when the other little guy, the angel, fails to show up. So is the devil real? No, a void can't be real, but at the same time yes, it's too bad we see that void all the time everywhere. Hmmm :)

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  8. Hi Manimla;

    A thought would I pass along to you…

    “Satan, as Scripture tells us, transforms himself at times to masquerade as an angel of light” – Augustine The City of God (Book XIX)

    “Himself” is a personal pronoun denoting personhood, Augustine believed Satan is a real personal being.

    To read Augustine’s views in context upon Satan who he regarded as a personal being I suggest reading his words on the topic in The City of God (see pages 863-864 at the following link):

    http://books.google.ca/books?id=7Tp7iwzRyDMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=augustine+city+of+god&ei=kqzDR8DfF4jysgPdx9WhCA&sig=XkRTV2V01j2wclVzrfY0GoYBXqw#PPA863,M1

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  9. I did copy the whole link but it didn’t seem to work here it is again:

    http://books.google.ca/books?id=7Tp7iwzRyDMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=augustine+city+of+god&ei=kqzDR8DfF4jysgPdx9WhCA&sig=XkRTV2V01j2wclVzrfY0GoYBXqw#PPA863,M1

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  10. Interesting it is fine in preview mode but does not stay for publish:

    I will leave the link in two separate sections if you wish to stitch them together since Blogger doesn’t seem to want to cooperate:

    http://books.google.ca/books?id=7Tp7iwzRyDMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=augustine+city+of+god

    &ei=kqzDR8DfF4jysgPdx9WhCA&sig=XkRTV2V01j2wclVzrfY0GoYBXqw#PPA863,M1

    Lets see if that works…

    Its fine here in preview...

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  11. As Blogger is not being co-operative with this I have created an addendum with the link at the end of my corresponding Graffiti article.

    Sorry about the mess Max….

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  12. Hello LSimus,

    "My expectations are high as I know how delicately and interestingly you layer your words togther…" - *bowing*...kind words, Prof. LS; thank you!

    "I am not sure that Satan would be described as one that “looks after Humanity” as he does sit in opposition to them as an antagonist, and as adversary, etc. (points made in the Jewish Encyclopaedia which says he is one of those that “watches over human activity” but this is far from looking after humans)." - lol parents look after their children and yet many times they sit in opposition to them.

    "The Christian perceptive would agree with everything else more or less you said under the Jewish section of your article Max. Including the fact that Satan is “on a leash”, God decides how long to let it out etc…" - indeed, Christians say that he is on a leash, as you said; however you cannot deny that Christians confer upon him too much power; and many times mistake him for evil forces.

    "I would beg to differ on this one my friend as I said earlier Satan is on a leash, God is Sovereign, all of this works within the parameters for example you expressed in regards to Job in the Jewish section. The New Testament presents Satan very similarly to that of the Old Testament it simply expands upon the subject additionally with a more macro view." - you view it like that, but the fact is that the majority of Christians (Catholics included), even though the NT shows Satan as the accuser, see him as being totally independent from God's will, and you should know that they also give him the power he doesn't have. This isn't me talking, it is the general public's impression on certain Christian groups; this is true in Europe, in Africa, in Latin-America and in North-America.

    "I don’t know if I would use the word “petulance”, more of an issue of “pride” from the Christian perspective as per my corresponding Graffiti article." - "petulance" was used because Lucifer allegedly had a contemptuous behaviour towards God; he thought that he was more than the Creator. This type of demeanour can also be see in children going through a phase when they think that they know more than their parents...in the end it reveals to be nothing but a childish behaviour (to think that a child can compete with an adult).

    "In the end Satan will be thrown to the “lake of fire” forever as per my article again." - that is the Christian thought "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever" (Apocalipse 20:10).

    "I’m not sure what a “New-Born” is, unless you mean born again Christian which is what ALL Christians would claim as Jesus says “you must be born again” the “must” is emphatic an dimperative and is based upon having the Holy Spirit indwell your life, being “born of the Spirit”, this is hardly new as it has been a teaching since the founding of the Church. Of course the Spirit is also mentioned many times in the Old Testament." - LOL LS, there are groups that call themselves evangelicals, others call themselves New-borns, others protestants and etc, you know this well...but as you say, you are simply debating lol *nodding*. I thank you for the explanation though, it was very enlightening *bowing*....

    "Those who you are speaking of as blaming the devil for everything are most often “Word of Faith” groups or “Prosperity Gospel” groups both of which call themselves Evangelical but are not, they actually teach anti-Biblical concepts and most often are con artists trying to get money off people. There are some Christians that are typically not Biblically literate involved in such groups but their teachings are anti-Biblical." - oh...to me if one believes in Christ one is Christian, I make no distinction among you guys...the rest are nothing but managerial details of each church.

    "That being said the Bible is clear that Satan is active in the world, but as a finite being (as are all demons, fallen angels) he can hardly be in on everything going on. Humans struggle with their own “flesh” as often as not." - the Bible is clear about that indeed, however that fact is not being taught to Christians, unless Christians in Canada are different from the rest of the world.

    "As you know I was recently injured in an accident. The fake groups would inevitably blame Satan for this kind of thing (my “lack” of faith, Satan, etc). I would chalk it up to human error (we are finite creatures that make mistakes, plus we also sin, but you could even make a case for God doing this for a greater good. Could it have been Satan or another fallen angel or demon? Possible but highly improbable. The Bible promises that there will be suffering, which echoes reality." - I hope you are feeling better :). As I said some Christian groups use the devil, Satan, Lucifer (whatever you wish to call him) as a tool of unaccountability.

    "Another factor is that a genuine follower of Jesus cannot be demon possessed." - are you talking about Satan or evil forces? Cause Satan doesn't possess anybody; but evil spirits do...

    "As the New Testament speaks of “evil spirits” which are fallen angels I would beg to differ on this one Max." - evil spirits are spirits who did not cross over and do not accept their own death; however they realise the power they have now that they're free of flesh thus they decide to take revenge on humans for being alive and also for being so nothing, powerless near them...if one doesn't know about this, he cannot write about it properly (I believe this was the case of the apostles).

    "Max would you please define “mystic” it is a rather nebulous term…" - most certainly, my friend: a mystic is a person who seeks to be in communion with the Creator, one who respects God's creation; one who is free of dogma, free of judgement, and sees beyond the apparent reality (and for that mystics develop insight tools through meditation and other type of rituals). But there are other definitions (since within mysticism there are also several groups): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism

    "Interesting art work… (Although I prefer the art at the top of the article or on your header for that matter. LOL)" - LOL LOL LOL vanity...isn't this a sin? :)

    "I claim no expertise in tarot so I of course Googled it all. LOL" - LOL let's see what you came up with, cause Tarot is one of the things that is poorly shared on the web...

    "The Devil - 15 - Capricorn. Addictions, materialism, limitations, bondage, ties." - this one is from the Rider-Waite deck influenced (but not as much as it should) by the symbols developed by the great occultist Eliphas Levi. This is a very limited deck, and as you can see this is not entirely a mystic deck, cause the devil on this set has the inverted pentagram above the goat's head, which is a Satanic symbol (that used a mystic symbol, also called the Key of Solomon; and inverted it as a form to shock Christians) and since mystics, nor witches, believe in Satan...
    Mystics never invert the pentagram (which is a symbol of Black Magic; and no, it is not related with Satan either since, as I said, witches do not believe in him). The author of this deck, Pamela Smith, made quite a salad out of Christian and occultist symbols and symbology.

    "The Devil indicates any sort of addiction or obsession, something with which we can tend to get "carried away", to the point of losing control over our actions. It signifies sexual desires, uncontrolled energy, running amok" - Marseille Tarot deck, made in the XVII century...this tarot is extremely basic and lacks a lot of symbology in each card of the Major Arcana. I am not surprised at the definition of this card given the time when it was created: note that this definition reflects the Christian idea of the devil - addiction, obssession, lack of control, sexual desires...

    "Perhaps the most misunderstood of all the major arcana, the Devil is not really "Satan" at all, but Pan the half-goat nature god and/or Dionysius." - interesting this last one...they made sure they'd clarify that the devil is not Satan, but in the link you offered us, they decribe him as having an inverted pentagram which is a Satanic symbol...
    This deck is a deturpation of the Thoth's Tarot symbols...

    "I would place this group into a similar category with those of the fake “Word of Faith” and “Prosperity Gospel” groups. The three fall into the “masquerades” category I have written about in my article." - you are trying to be inflammatory LS, but with no success I'm affraid...I have told you that the mysteries of God go far beyond what is written in the Scripture (to which you have agreed). One should never judge what one does not know; if you agreed that there is a lot more than what is in the Bible then you cannot say that what is not included in the Blade is wrong.

    "Interesting how you interjected your personal viewpoint so clearly, you don’t typically do that Max; I find it bold, and refreshing…. :) LOL" - LOL I am so glad that you liked it, my friend *bowing*!

    "I believe we are very similar with our viewpoints" - well, I wouldn't exactly go to the point of nearly clashing with other belief systems; but indeed we are very similar :)....

    "Max this article was cleverly and studiously woven together, as usual you deliver a great read…. My compliments to you my wordsmith friend…" - thank you, my friend *bowing*! Your words are most kind :)....

    This was a great conversation, as usual :).

    Cheers

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  13. Hey D,

    "Well, I tried to leave a comment, and either I left nothing, or I left two copies, I can't tell lol. If I don't see it, I'll repaste it later. If I did leave two..my appologies. :)" - no need to apologise, I know how it goes...and I dislike it when it happens...anyway, let's see what you have offered us next :)!

    Cheers

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  14. Hello again, D!

    "In our religion, we believe that Satan, like us, lived before we were born as a spirit child of God. However, he sought to make himself greater than God, and to take His glory, so was cast out, along with 1/3 of the host of heaven who followed him. They thereby will never receive a physical body such as we have. We do believe that one day he and his followers will be bound, and that all of his plans for glory will be for naught." - this is very interesting; very interesting indeed...thank you for having shared with us *bowing*.

    "He now seeks to make all men miserable like him. But God allows him to do this so that we have an opposition in all things. It gives us the chance to choose good from evil. If there were no evil, how would we learn the good?" - that is an excellent point, D! Do you also believe in the law of the opposites?

    "Some names I found in the Bible dictionary for him (including LDS scripture) "Prince of this world", "the adversary", "beelzebub, meaning the prince of the devils", "the wicked one", "the enemy", "Lucifer", "Satan", "prince of the power of the air", "Perdition", "son of the morning", "that old serpent", "the great dragon", "a murderer from the beginning", "a liar from the beginning", and "the accuser"." - thank you for sharing this with us *bowing*...Satan has as many names as royalty members lol.

    Delirious, thank you for sharing a portion of the Book of Moses, I have never read it so it is always a pleasure to learn new things :).

    "Satan may have the ability to tempt us, but God will always have the ability to save us if we seek Him." - Amen!

    "Kind of a jumble of thoughts here, hope you can see where my brain was going. :)" - don't worry, I got you perfectly :). And I must say that this was a very interesting comment that gave me the opportunity to learn a little about your belief system; and for that I thank you *bowing*!

    Cheers

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  15. Hey Looney,

    Welcome to MAX! I believe this is your first comment on my blog, we must celebrate :D!

    "Max, thanks for writing this post." - I thank you for having dropped by and taken time to read it *bowing*.

    "I too have a view quite similar to Livingsword's regarding Satan. The book of Job describes how God gives permission to harm Job and his family, but God gives Satan considerable freedom to choose the method. I don't think that the Christian views are any different on this." - interesting usage of the word "harm", did Satan harm Job? Or did he test him? Cause if he harmed Job, you are telling us that God allows Satan to harm people...with what purpose?

    "There is one thing that I was always taught in my conservative Christian upbringing: We must always keep our focus on God, rather than the devil. Job did this in that he and his friends spent all their time discoursing about God even as they faced calamities." - true, Job passed the test with distinction. And indeed, we should focus more on God than on anything else; but that is not what some evangelical and New-Born groups seem to do...*nodding*.

    "For me, if a loved one is taken away I can only give thanks to God that I had a portion of my life to enjoy that loved one. If I suffer an injury, I give thanks that I was able to use the limb for a time and remind myself that my time to do God's will here on Earth is limited." - you seem to be a wise person *bowing*.

    "Yes, there is evil and a devil prowling about that I must beware of, but the focus is always on God and salvation through Jesus." - thank you so much for your comment, it was certainly a very interesting one :D!

    It was nice seeing you here, Looney :D! Thanks...

    Cheers

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  16. Hello Alexys!

    "Satan has so many names, so many roles, so many friends, so many enemies. It's hard to keep up." - LOL how true...as I told one of my guests, Satan has as many names as royalty members *nodding*....

    "I think Satan is often used as a scapegoat. People do things and blame Satan, i.e. "The devil made me do it," instead of taking responsibility for their actions." - absolutely...*nodding*...

    "As humans, we have dark moments and enlightening moments and we always have to balance our reactions to our surroundings by not letting the dark moments take over." - that is exactly the key, my friend...touché!

    "I think Satan is always riding shotgun. It is always there, but we don't ever want it to fire the shot. We can overcome Satan by being a vehicle for God and not letting the negative influences permeate our Soul being." - I hear you :).

    "Awesome post my dear." - thank you so much *bowing*!

    Alexys, thank you so much for your fantastic words :D!

    Divine Cheers

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  17. Hey Gigi!

    "As usual, when I visit max, I gain fresh insights." - I feel honoured, my friend *bowing*! You are so kind :)!

    "From my Catholic viewpoint, Satan is a fallen angel who desired to be greater than his creator. He is free to roam around and gather humans to join his flock (?) which is where sin and temptation comes in." - I hear you...this is rather interesting :).

    "Our job as Catholics is to resist him. Whatever sort of being he is, I know evil emanates from him and it is our cause to stop that evil into entering our lives." - indeed, it is...well I think that any person's job as a God believer is to pass all Satan's tests, right? Interesting the rest of this sentence, dear :)...

    Gigi, thank you so much for the Catholic point of view on this issue; it was most appreciated :D!

    Cheers

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  18. Hey Manimala,

    "St. Augustine simply defined evil as the absence of good, and thus the absence of God.In his view, evil was nothing tangible; it was as darkness is to light and coldness is to heat." - very interesting...very interesting indeed... :)

    "By the same token, I'd like to think of Satan as that very spiritual void that plagues humanity, that tempts us to do bad, and that leads us astray. Satan is not that little pitchfork guy sitting on your shoulder whenever you make a tough decision; rather, he's the only thing left when the other little guy, the angel, fails to show up." - LOL I don't see him as the little pitchfork guy either *nodding*. But I wonder...does the angel fail to show up or do we cause him to not show up?

    "So is the devil real? No, a void can't be real, but at the same time yes, it's too bad we see that void all the time everywhere. Hmmm :)" - extremely point of view, my friend...Hmmm...

    Manimala, I must thank you for your thoughts here...they are extremely interesting and relevant *bowing*! Always a pleasure seeing you here...

    Cheers

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  19. Hello LS and Manimala;

    "“Himself” is a personal pronoun denoting personhood, Augustine believed Satan is a real personal being." - I agree that the personal pronoun denotes personhood; so do you think that Satan also materialises itself and interacts with humans? :)

    The link worked just fine, LS (the first time). Very interesting text, I must read it more carefully...I am quite curious about this :)...

    Thanks for this most useful link, my friend *bowing*!

    Cheers

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  20. LS;

    No need to apologise, as I said the link works just fine :)!

    Cheers

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  21. Hi Max and Manimala;

    In the Bible Satan responds and interacts as a personal being. He has personal pronouns “he”. Now of course Scripture also makes it seem that angels/demons have no gender per say, they are spirit beings good/bad, just as God has no gender as He is Spirit, Jesus of course is the God-man and therefore in His humanity is a He, masculine gender. Yet throughout Scripture God chose to identify Himself with masculine words, the overwhelming number of gender terms He uses for Himself is masculine.

    It was amusing a few years ago when the “feminist bible” came out and they wrote He/She every time those kinds of words came up to describe God as they don’t like the preponderance of masculine words God that God used to describe Himself but they kept all of the “he” words for Satan without adding “she”! LOL

    So Satan is a personal being that means it is not accurate to speak of him or think of him as an “it” or masculine terms are used to describe him so “he” etc seem more appropriate.

    Augustine agreed that Satan is a personal being in several parts of his writings, and does not go against Scripture in this regard.

    Scripture supports the concept that angels (holy angels) and demons (fallen angels) do at times take on physicality (Satan in Genesis 3, Matthew 4. In Genesis 19 Lot “saw” the angels and they interacted in the physical realm). We are told that Satan and other demons are kept on “chains” by God (Jude 6) which goes along with Job 1 and God keeping Satan on a “leash”.

    Interesting the link didn’t work for me; it does make a good addendum to my article.

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  22. Hello LS;

    "In the Bible Satan responds and interacts as a personal being. He has personal pronouns “he”. Now of course Scripture also makes it seem that angels/demons have no gender per say, they are spirit beings good/bad, just as God has no gender as He is Spirit, Jesus of course is the God-man and therefore in His humanity is a He, masculine gender.Yet throughout Scripture God chose to identify Himself with masculine words, the overwhelming number of gender terms He uses for Himself is masculine." - please, the personal pronoun "he" is only used because humans' mind heard God as masculine, and we are all very comfortable with it...do you know how spirits communicate with humans, LS? If you ever had had this type of experience you would know that spirits communicate in a way that our mind accepts the message being given. If a person lives in a household where the mom rules, and the mind is filled with feminine examples then when a spirit comes to him/her it will make use of feminine forms so that the message can better be transmitted. If a person, on the contrary, is raised in a patrio-poter ruling dwelling then spirits will communicate in masculine traits. On the other hand if a home is balanced, the spirits will communicate in either gender (according to the state of mind of the receptor)...of course the latter is very rare.

    "It was amusing a few years ago when the “feminist bible” came out and they wrote He/She every time those kinds of words came up to describe God as they don’t like the preponderance of masculine words God that God used to describe Himself but they kept all of the “he” words for Satan without adding “she”! LOL" - LOL LOL talking about double-standards *nodding*. For consistency sake Satan should also be a "she" LOL *nodding*...

    "So Satan is a personal being that means it is not accurate to speak of him or think of him as an “it” or masculine terms are used to describe him so “he” etc seem more appropriate." - I don't see nothing wrong with speaking of Satan as an "it" as a form of showing how little he is, how unimportant he can be.

    "Augustine agreed that Satan is a personal being in several parts of his writings, and does not go against Scripture in this regard." - I think that Manimala was referring to Satan being tangible or not...

    "Scripture supports the concept that angels (holy angels) and demons (fallen angels) do at times take on physicality (Satan in Genesis 3, Matthew 4. In Genesis 19 Lot “saw” the angels and they interacted in the physical realm). We are told that Satan and other demons are kept on “chains” by God (Jude 6) which goes along with Job 1 and God keeping Satan on a “leash”." - of course I agree with you; but have you thought that perhaps Manimala has a different belief system than yours and mine?

    "Interesting the link didn’t work for me; it does make a good addendum to my article." - it did for me, and I already added it to my faves, so don't worry :). LOL I believe it does, my friend...is the video on? I must go an see it...

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  23. Hello, Max. I'm not commenting on your post. Just wanted to thank you for your comments on my daughter. I am truly one proud mama. Lol!!! She gets her beauty from her father, though. And her brains from me. Lol even louder!

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  24. I forgot about the link to my tag. I had to take out the tag again. I'll hit you back when it's up again. Had to make changes because the person who tagged me made a couple of booboos so I have to redo the whole thing. Lol!

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  25. It's a very serious topic Max, and one that I don't have much experience with, so I will leave you with this quote from the Church Lady:

    "Let's examine the word "Santa", shall we?

    "Santa" Let's see, what have we got here?

    We've got an S and an A, an N, a T, and another A.

    Hmm.. Who could be causing all those laps to bounce up and down curiously? Who would help grown men peel the focus from the baby Jesus on his birthday? Who could it be, I just don't know. . .

    Could it be.. Satan!!

    Look at that, the letters from the word "SANTA" can be rearranged to spell "SATAN"!!

    Now isn't that special.

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  26. Max, wow how the responses multiply!

    You wrote: "interesting usage of the word "harm", did Satan harm Job? Or did he test him? Cause if he harmed Job, you are telling us that God allows Satan to harm people...with what purpose?"

    In a sense there was harm, but the overall purpose is good. I have had plenty of things in my life that were painful at the time, but beneficial in the long run. As I see it, there is a big overlap between "harm" and "test". Frequently the distinction is just in the mind.

    You wrote: "And indeed, we should focus more on God than on anything else; but that is not what some evangelical and New-Born groups seem to do...*nodding*."

    It has been perhaps 45 years that I have been in church and able to understand a bit of what was going on. Even when I travel (which is frequent) I like to drop in on Christian groups or churches. I haven't yet encountered a church that put much time into discussing Satan.

    You wrote: "you seem to be a wise person *bowing*."

    Don't be fooled, it is all an act!

    Thanks for taking the time to interact.

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  27. Hi Max,
    What a truly interesting article on how different cultures and religions view “The Accuser”. I leanred something today. You have a very interesting blog. Thanks for the lesson. -Mike

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  28. Hi, Max. The tag is up. Hope I got it right this time. Lol!

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  29. Hello, Gigi!

    It is quite all right; you don't have to comment every post, you may just drop by for us to have a quick chat :D!
    No need to thank me; I meant what I said :). LOL You have every reason to be a proud mommy :).
    LOL LOL I hear you...

    Cheers

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  30. Gigi,

    It is ok, just let me know when it's up...thanks :)!

    Cheers

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  31. Hey Scott,

    "It's a very serious topic Max, and one that I don't have much experience with, so I will leave you with this quote from the Church Lady:" - lol Saturday night life *nodding*...

    "Hmm.. Who could be causing all those laps to bounce up and down curiously? Who would help grown men peel the focus from the baby Jesus on his birthday? Who could it be, I just don't know. . .Could it be.. Satan!!" - lol...this is sick lol...

    "Look at that, the letters from the word "SANTA" can be rearranged to spell "SATAN"!!" - as I replied in the Portuguese comment section: this reminds me of those who do the same with the words "dog" and "god" lol *nodding*....

    Scott, thank you for your contribution, humour is always welcome (specially when dealing with such a serious topic such as this one) :)!

    Cheers

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  32. Looney,

    lol indeed, this topic seems to attract people :).

    "In a sense there was harm, but the overall purpose is good. I have had plenty of things in my life that were painful at the time, but beneficial in the long run. As I see it, there is a big overlap between "harm" and "test". Frequently the distinction is just in the mind." - a test is when harm (or what can be perceived as bad events) is done to see how far we will go in order to reach good (or our mission on earth). God many times makes us go through events that we think to be unfair, to test our faith in Him, in the Divine, in our own ability to fulfill the mission He instructed us with. Of course in the long run all the "bad" is good to us. It is like when a kid is told not to touch something by his parents (something that might hurt him): he thinks his parents are against him, and are preventing him from learning or satisfying his curiosity, but in the end it was all for his own good, for his protection...

    "It has been perhaps 45 years that I have been in church and able to understand a bit of what was going on. Even when I travel (which is frequent) I like to drop in on Christian groups or churches. I haven't yet encountered a church that put much time into discussing Satan." - have you been in Portugal, Spain, Brazil, Italy, France, Belgian, Zambia, Mozambique, South Africa (just to name a few)? And my own mother witnessed a Sunday gathering in a Baptist church in New Jersey preaching the same thing....*nodding*...unfortunately it is out there...

    "Don't be fooled, it is all an act!" - lol lol you are extremely interesting, Looney...I like you already *bowing*!

    "Thanks for taking the time to interact." - it is my pleasure :D! And I am the one thanking you for having returned *bowing*!

    Cheers

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  33. Hello Mike,

    Welcome to the MAX!

    "What a truly interesting article on how different cultures and religions view “The Accuser”. I leanred something today. You have a very interesting blog. Thanks for the lesson. -Mike" - thank you so much *bowing*! It is hardly a lesson, it is more like sharing the different views on the subject :)...but I am glad that you could drink up some of these words :)...

    Thanks for having dropped by...I feel honoured *bowing*!

    Cheers

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  34. Max, what a wonderfully thought-provoking post. One thing worth mentioning is that the views presented here fall, I think, to the more orthodox/dogma-believing poles of both groups (Judaic and Christian). Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just wary of overlooking the relative, gray-area parts of the spectrum in our communiques, especially when we're commenting on cultures or religions.

    As for me personally, I believe that we hold both good and evil within us at all times, and that fortunately, most of us reflect Godliness more than Satanical qualities, MOST of the time.

    A great post, as usual, Max! One day I would like to delve more into issues of good and evil, God and Satan, and maybe study Kabalah.

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  35. I like the following sentence and believe in it too: "the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled is to make people believe it didn't exist".

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  36. Max,
    If you are interested in reading more of the book of Moses, you can follow this link: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moses/contents

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  37. Hi! Most times I believe the Devil to be one of man's greatest figments of his imagination.

    For me, the Devil is that little guy sitting on my left shoulder forever waiting to pounce.

    Fortunately the other guy on the right comes through!

    Take Care,
    Peter

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  38. This was wonderful reading...I agree with your thoughts and across cultures Satan is interpreted in different ways, but they are everywhere and somewhat synonymous in every culture...well written!

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  39. Hello Lynda,

    It is great to see you here; welcome back :D! I gather your show is going pretty well... :D!

    "what a wonderfully thought-provoking post." - thank you, darling *bowing*.

    "One thing worth mentioning is that the views presented here fall, I think, to the more orthodox/dogma-believing poles of both groups (Judaic and Christian). Please correct me if I'm wrong." - I couldn't really say that you are wrong, nor that you are right...both groups (Judaic and Christian) have their sub-groups each with their own opinion and take on things (which would take three or more posts to expose lol). For example what I know from Christianity often clashes with LS' view and experience of it, so it is a bit difficult to say what is right and what is wrong....

    "I'm just wary of overlooking the relative, gray-area parts of the spectrum in our communiques, especially when we're commenting on cultures or religions." - I understand :)...

    "As for me personally, I believe that we hold both good and evil within us at all times, and that fortunately, most of us reflect Godliness more than Satanical qualities, MOST of the time." - lol I like the "MOST" :). I many times defend that we have both good and evil impulses within (we are made of opposites to create balance), and it is up to us to choose which impulse we wish to express more....

    "A great post, as usual, Max! One day I would like to delve more into issues of good and evil, God and Satan, and maybe study Kabalah." - Thank you so much, my friend *bowing*. You should study these issues they are very interesting, and provide a lot of material for interesting debates ;D!

    Thanks for having dropped by and brought your positive vibes into my MAX :)! It's always a pleasure to have you here :)....

    Cheers

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  40. Hey Zhu,

    "I like the following sentence and believe in it too: "the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled is to make people believe it didn't exist"." - it is an interesting sentence, indeed :)...the question here is: what is his role in humanity?

    Thank you so much for having shared this sentence with us *bowing*!

    Cheers

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  41. Hey D!

    I am interested, yes...Thank you so much for providing the link *bowing*!

    Cheers

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  42. Hello Peter!

    "Most times I believe the Devil to be one of man's greatest figments of his imagination." - lol the Devil as depicted?

    "For me, the Devil is that little guy sitting on my left shoulder forever waiting to pounce." - it is one view of him...but don't you think that he would be heavy on your poor shoulder (even though he is little the guy has major evil powers lol)?

    "Fortunately the other guy on the right comes through!" - Amen :)....

    Thanks for your input, Peter :)!

    Cheers

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  43. Kalyan, Hello!!

    "This was wonderful reading...I agree with your thoughts and across cultures Satan is interpreted in different ways, but they are everywhere and somewhat synonymous in every culture...well written!" - thank you so much *bowing*! I agree with your agreeing with me :)...

    Thanks, once again :D! And thanks for your lovely words :)....

    Cheers

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  44. Max my dear, very interesting post. As I told LS for me up to now the satan was just a creature, but it did represented evil. As humans we have very creative imagination, however, believe or not it always have humane features. But as I was saying to LS if you an artist how would you represent the evil, I guess horned devil will do, and for good, an angel will do. Max, I know I am bit of topic on this one, but Satan was never really my favorite 'actor' to follow, lol, so I don't really know much, but having you and LS, I learned a lot today. Thanks for sharing these great insights as always. Anna :)

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  45. Revelation 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time". Never knew or cared about Satan until I starting looking for God, then all of a sudden Satan became more real, Satan lulls us into a false sense of security until we start searching for the truth, thats when he does his work through temptation and other evil deeds, not a very nice entity at all.

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  46. Hello Anna,

    "Max my dear, very interesting post." - thank you so much, darling *bowing*!

    "As I told LS for me up to now the satan was just a creature, but it did represented evil." - well, it depends on the point of view. If one sees him as the accuser, he is just performing his task by testing us (our faith in God) - of course this test may be considered bad by the way we perceive it and feel about it; if one looks at him as an evil entity that attacks and possesses people, making their skin go green and release fumes and etc, then he definitely represents evil...but you see God is so liberal that I don't think He minds our diversity in perceiving Satan/Lucifer...

    "As humans we have very creative imagination, however, believe or not it always have humane features. But as I was saying to LS if you an artist how would you represent the evil, I guess horned devil will do, and for good, an angel will do." - LOL we are creative indeed. Have you ever watched a movie called "Constantine" (with Keanu Reeves)? Satan is depicted as wearing a stylish white suit, tennis shoes, a tatoo on his neck, an earing on his left ear and a crazy look in his eyes LOL...that is how I would represent Satan.

    "Max, I know I am bit of topic on this one, but Satan was never really my favorite 'actor' to follow, lol, so I don't really know much, but having you and LS, I learned a lot today." - LOL I totally get you on this one :). LS and I feel honoured that you, and other friends and guests, could learn something from our articles *bowing* :)!

    "Thanks for sharing these great insights as always." - Don't mention it, darling; I should be the one thanking you for your promptiness to read them *bowing*!

    Anna, thanks for your contribution to Graffiti, readers like you make it worthwhile to write these articles :D!

    Cheers

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  47. Hello Bob,

    "Revelation 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time"." - thank you for sharing this portion of the Scripture with us :). It is quite appeciated...

    "Never knew or cared about Satan until I starting looking for God, then all of a sudden Satan became more real, Satan lulls us into a false sense of security until we start searching for the truth, thats when he does his work through temptation and other evil deeds, not a very nice entity at all." - I hear you...

    Thank you so much for your most precious comment, Bob; I loved it and I am glad that you started looking for God :)!

    Cheers

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  48. You've been royally tagged by Mimi Queen of Memes. Have fun!
    Message In a Bottle Meme

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  49. Hey Mimi,

    Welcome to MAX!
    Thank you for having tagged me: I will drop by your blog soon :). Thanks for the link as well ;D!

    Cheers

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  50. hey max! i hope you had a great weekend. the awards you gave me are up and i have one for you too.

    take care ;)

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  51. Hey Liza,

    I did have a great weekend, thanks :D! And how about yourself :)?

    Great, thanks for letting me know...I am on my way to your place :D!
    Another award for me: yuppiii lol ;)!

    Cheers

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  52. Hello Max my sweet friend,
    thought provoking and well written post. The comments are very interesting too. With so many religios groups and sub-groups it is difficult to define many things, but good and evil do dwell side by side. We see this in everyday life, but there is more good than evil, and more faith in God than the Devil.
    I can see many varying viewpoints on this all, of which are valid. It surely depend upon what the individual believes and their perception of God and Satan.
    Come their Day of Judgement and they will then find out which side they sit upon :o)

    Anyway, going off topic...
    Guess what? You have been tagged LOL
    Have a great day and hope you will join in :)
    Colin from Life

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  53. Hey Colin,

    "thought provoking and well written post. The comments are very interesting too." - thank you, my dear friend *bowing*! The comments are the most precious part of all my articles ;D...

    "With so many religios groups and sub-groups it is difficult to define many things, but good and evil do dwell side by side. We see this in everyday life, but there is more good than evil, and more faith in God than the Devil." - I hear you on the first time, and Amen to the second part :).

    "I can see many varying viewpoints on this all, of which are valid. It surely depend upon what the individual believes and their perception of God and Satan. Come their Day of Judgement and they will then find out which side they sit upon :o)" - I totally hear you :)....

    "Guess what? You have been tagged LOL" - LOL I have? What a surprise... ;) Thanks, darling!

    "Have a great day and hope you will join in :)" - It has been a great day so far. Let me check it first and then I will let you know if I will or not ;)...

    Colin, thank you so much for your comment, I absolutely loved :)
    Cheers

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  54. Hey Max, its me again, lol. Just following up on this comment. Max you said: 'well, it depends on the point of view. If one sees him as the accuser, he is just performing his task by testing us (our faith in God) - of course this test may be considered bad by the way we perceive it and feel about it; if one looks at him as an evil entity that attacks and possesses people, making their skin go green and release fumes and etc, then he definitely represents evil...but you see God is so liberal that I don't think He minds our diversity in perceiving Satan/Lucifer...'- this is very interesting explanation, and I will definitely remember that, I never saw it that way, thanks again.

    Max you said: 'LOL we are creative indeed. Have you ever watched a movie called "Constantine" (with Keanu Reeves)? Satan is depicted as wearing a stylish white suit, tennis shoes, a tattoo on his neck, an earring on his left ear and a crazy look in his eyes LOL...that is how I would represent Satan.' - yes I did, but that was long time ago, thanks for the reminder, lol. In fact that was interesting representation of Satan. There is also other movie with Al Pacino, don't remember the title, but I think he was representing the traditional devil - those do scare me, lol.

    Thanks again Max for all your comments and also to teach me some good stuff. Thanks again, Anna :)

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  55. Hello Anna,

    "Just following up on this comment." - it is always a pleasure to see you here at the MaxZone ;D.

    "this is very interesting explanation, and I will definitely remember that, I never saw it that way, thanks again." - I am just sharing my thoughts on the issue :). You are most welcome; you know that for you: anything :D!

    "yes I did, but that was long time ago, thanks for the reminder, lol. In fact that was interesting representation of Satan. There is also other movie with Al Pacino, don't remember the title, but I think he was representing the traditional devil - those do scare me, lol." - lol Ah "The Devil's advocate" very good movie! And yes, it was depicting the traditional devil...damn he was scary lol!

    "Thanks again Max for all your comments and also to teach me some good stuff. Thanks again" - you are welcome, darling *bowing*! I learn new stuff when I am sharing knowledge with others; so thank you for your interest *bowing*!

    Adorable Anna, thanks for this precious moment :D!

    Cheers

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  56. Max you said: 'Ah "The Devil's advocate" very good movie! And yes, it was depicting the traditional devil...' - yes it is, thanks for letting me know again, boy you are good.

    Max, you said: 'damn he was scary lol!' - oh that made me laugh, you are funny.

    Thanks, Anna :)

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  57. Anna,

    It is my pleasure, dear ;)! LOL LOL I am not that good, believe me; it is because I loved these two movies (you wouldn't believe my lack of ability to remember the title of most movies lol).

    lol thanks, my dear friend, I like to think that when I make others laugh I help bringing a little happiness into their life :).

    You are most welcome ;)!

    Cheers

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  58. In Buddha, i can't find any specific character similar to Satan who is coming from the dark side.....

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  59. Hi Korean Fashion :D!

    Isn't Maya something similar to Satan (when it comes to illusion)? I believe Maya tempted Buddha when he was ascetic...

    KF, thank you so much for your input :D. Know that you are always welcome here.

    Cheers

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