Homophobia as a Perversion



There is nothing sadder than homophobia. God created us all; and I mean all of us.

This article is divided into two parts. The first addresses religious people (from all denominations); the second addresses a recent crime perpetrated against gay people in a Middle East country.

Part ITo: Religious communities around the world
Dear representatives of the several religious denominations: shame on you!
You are supposed to represent God on earth. You claim that God is Love, Merciful, Forgiving, All Good…yet you, as His representatives, display hate, lack of compassion, lack of forgiveness and evil; if/whenever you entice your flock against homosexuals.
I know some Christians and Jews may claim that God (in Leviticus 18:22) declared homosexual relationships (between men) as abominable (= awful, unpleasant, very bad, disgusting)…but to whom? Most certainly not to God (since He creates them & only He knows with what purpose); then why did He make such a declaration? Because He knows the imperfect heart of men. He knows that heterosexuals are hypocritical enough to find a gay relationship “awful, unpleasant, very bad, disgusting” and generate evil based on their hypocrisy (yes, because God knows that many heterosexuals do exactly the same sexual things homosexuals do); but mainly because He knows the danger it may represent to the human body (health-wise) – and this cannot be denied.
Nevertheless, God loves us all. So based on what do you (standing on a pulpit) teach people how to despise or hate other brothers and sisters? With what right? With what authority? Only God can judge us; and being a representative of the Lord does not equal being the Lord.
Many of you accuse gays of being a perversion. You are the ones embodying perversion, because instead of looking at gays as the humans they are and respect them as such; you look at them and immediately think of how their sexual life is; you imagine them having sex; you wonder and try to analyse it – this is a perversion.
People’s sex life (be it hetero or homo) is none of your business. Your job is to nurture the soul, help humans to evolve spiritually and guard the gates of God’s threshold on earth...so, do that and leave sex out of it.

Part IITo: Israel
This country is a pioneer in gay rights (for example, the Israeli Defence Forces has homosexuals serving openly without any discrimination, since 1993) and yet, last week it was the stage of a trashy tragedy: Liz Trobishi (17) and Nir Katz (26) were killed and 15 others were wounded in a gay club, in Tel Aviv.
The police said there is no indication of hate crime, however Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (rightly so) compared the sad event to an act of terrorism.
This incident caused a survey to be done, from which it was concluded that 46% of the inquired Israelis consider homosexuality a perversion.
Let’s analyse this...it is known that some Israeli men go to Pattaya, in Thailand, to practice what is called sex tourism, because of “the humanity, the smiles of the beautiful sexy and open-minded women. It's not like the Israeli women, with their nose so far up in the air that it slaps Jumbo planes flying by in the sky.” [Source: here]; so what does this mean? It means that since Israeli women are not willing to fulfil their perverted fantasies they go to fulfil them abroad with “sexy and open-minded women”. Being a pervert with women is quite all right; cheating on your wife and going abroad to be blown is quite all right; going to Thailand to pay 13-year-old girls to provide sexual services is correct...but...two consenting adults (even if of the same gender) having a relationship and loving each other is a perversion...right...

Paedophilia is a perversion.
Necrophilia is a perversion.
Coprophilia is a perversion.
Urophilia is a perversion.
Paraphilia is a perversion.
Domestic violence is a perversion....

Our body, our flesh is a fantasy costume...it’s an illusion. Reality is what emanates from behind the mask: the spirit.
Spirits have no sexual agenda for they are simply the essence.
We incarnate to evolve. Thus, despising, disrespecting, hating, beating up and killing people based on their sexual preferences is not evolving.

Image: Two young men by Cariani

Comments

  1. Howdy Max,

    I would like to challenge you on the use of the term "homophobia", since I know it is one that you didn't invent and have adopted, but I suspect you haven't sufficiently considered the implications of the term.

    First, I would note that roughly 50% of California is considered "homophobic", because they voted against "gay marriage". The most "homophobic" subgroup happens to be the black community, who it so happens are the most impacted by homosexuality, so presumably they are in a better position to judge.

    The reason for the challenge is that the word, "homophobia" implies that any opposition or inhibition to gay promiscuity is the result of a mental disorder - and this before a discussion even starts. As it turns out, this accusation of mental disorder is made against a majority of people on this planet, as well as most likely the majority of our ancestors. Furthermore, the disorder of "homophobia" increases with every new demand made by the GLBT (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgendered) community. I use the GLBT term because the intellectuals who theorize about homophobia always lump these four together, so that anyone who thinks there is something wrong with bisexuality - which necessitates at least three to form a marriage - is also homophobic. In fact, if you think a gay priest shouldn't be leading an orphanage for boys, you are homophobic. If you think that the most promiscuous 2% of society shouldn't be teaching family values in school, then you are also homophobic. What will be deemed homophobic 10 or 20 years from now? Refusal to gratify a gay boss? What about gay men standing outside of schools as they let out offering money to children if ...?

    I would suggest that the original purpose of the term, homophobic, was the usual ultra-leftist ploy of trying to avoid serious discussion of serious issues by painting those who disagree as being mentally disturbed. Certainly I think you are much more capable! :-)

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  2. According to what I have read, the only way in which homosexuals are "born that way" is a genetic predisposition. That doesn't guarantee that they will be gay. I don't believe that all gays were born gay. I believe there could be a small percentage who genetically were more predisposed that others, but I don't believe that because a person has those genetic markers that they will absolutely become homosexual. In fact, I think if studies were done, it would be found that many gays don't have that genetic marker at all. I think it is unfair to say that "God created gays". God did create man, and certain social, genetic, and biological difficulties come along with being human. But I think it is unfair to make it sound like God purposefully made people homosexual.

    God created us all, but I don't believe He intended for anyone to be homosexual. I think that is one of the things that comes along with mortality, but it certainly isn't what was intended for the perpetuation of mankind, which was God's goal in making us male and female. That being said, I do agree that He loves us all, and looks at us all as wonderful creations. He intends for us to all love each other, and to all be kind to each other.

    But what does a person do, who honestly believes that homosexuality is against God's commandments? In my religion, we believe that what the Bible teaches is that homosexuality is against God's commandments. You, or others might interpret those scriptures differently, and that is your right, but that doesn't diminish the fact that we feel it is against God's commandments. I don't believe that makes us less compassionate, or less loving. We can still love the homosexual, and still believe that God loves them, and treat them kindly, without accepting their lifestyle. What are we to do when it is actually a conflict of belief for us? I don't believe changing our belief to be politically correct is right. That would be a conflict of religious integrity. Either we believe it is okay, or we don't.

    I think what you should focus more on, is not on whether homosexuality is morally right, but on how we should treat others whose moral behaviors are different than ours. I can disagree with their lifestyle, but still believe in being Christlike to them.

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  3. Ciao Max,

    When I was a high school (and later on, a college) student we used to make fun of, and sometimes intimidate, other young men that would look effeminate. The sad thing was that adults wouldn't tell us that such behaviour was harmful and improper.
    Nowadays I am on my fifties and I have had gay co-workers who were both professional and socially outstanding, and fantastic colleagues so: most of the time, if not always, people are more than their sexual lives.

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  4. Hey Looney :D!

    Part I

    "I would like to challenge you on the use of the term "homophobia", since I know it is one that you didn't invent and have adopted, but I suspect you haven't sufficiently considered the implications of the term."

    Please do challenge me *bowing*...let's hear your thoughts on this...

    "First, I would note that roughly 50% of California is considered "homophobic", because they voted against "gay marriage"."

    I am against gay marriage. The term marriage signifies "the legal union between a man and a woman as husband and wife" thus it wouldn't make sense to apply this word to unions between couples of the same sex.
    However, I am totally for legal unions so that these couples may be protected by law when it comes to pensions, insurance, inheritance etc.
    This being said, being against this proposition does not make of you an homophobic; unless you make use of homophobic arguments when fighting against gay marriage.

    "The reason for the challenge is that the word, "homophobia" implies that any opposition or inhibition to gay promiscuity is the result of a mental disorder - and this before a discussion even starts."

    Looney, homophobia means "fear of or intense hatred for homosexuals"; so if one is opposed to homosexuality but doesn't incite violence on gay people...it is all right (for people do not have to agree with everybody and they do not have to like everybody); but if an individual teaches [or encourages] others to hate human beings based on their sexual preferences...that person is devious, period.
    About promiscuity: heterosexuals can be promiscuous too (white, black, asian, jewish, mixed people, gypsies, indians...you name it); so if we are going to talk about promiscuity let's include all humans beings that are promiscuous.
    Being gay doesn't automatically equal promiscuity; although we have been given the impression that they are (I can't be 100% sure gays are so since I am not gay and, I haven't delved into the gay community enough in order to make such statements).

    "As it turns out, this accusation of mental disorder is made against a majority of people on this planet, as well as most likely the majority of our ancestors."

    Please allow me to clarify one thing: the word "perversion" has many meanings (and I am surprised that you immediately thought of the "mental disorder" definition) being one of them "to cause to turn away from what is right, good and correct"...we could think of it as meaning "to cause to turn away from what is ethical".
    Now, simply because the majority chooses to be unethical towards other human beings, it doesn't mean that they are right. Remember that in the past, the majority thought that blacks and jews should be made slaves because they were less human than the "ruling majority" (i.e. white people) and yet today we all know that this thought was simply wrong, ignorant and immoral.

    To be continued...

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  5. Looney,

    Part II

    "In fact, if you think a gay priest shouldn't be leading an orphanage for boys, you are homophobic. If you think that the most promiscuous 2% of society shouldn't be teaching family values in school, then you are also homophobic. What will be deemed homophobic 10 or 20 years from now? Refusal to gratify a gay boss? What about gay men standing outside of schools as they let out offering money to children if ...?"

    Hmm...yes, I am aware of the exaggerations going around in society. And this reminds me of black people (specially in the US) thinking that any comment made about them is racism (which would make me a big racist, since I am a huge critic of the black community around the world - and mind you, I have black blood).
    I understand your concerns, Looney; I do, but you are confounding homosexuality with paedophilia (which are two different things).

    "I would suggest that the original purpose of the term, homophobic, was the usual ultra-leftist ploy of trying to avoid serious discussion of serious issues by painting those who disagree as being mentally disturbed. Certainly I think you are much more capable! :-)"

    I think that it has been established what the word "homophobic" means in this article. What the ultra-leftist think this word means, I do not know (although I will do some research now that you mentioned it).
    LOL thanks for your trust in my capabilities *bowing*!

    Looney, thank you so much for having shared your views and concerns on this issue with us; as always your input is most valuable :D!

    Cheers

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  6. Hey D!

    :D

    Part I

    "According to what I have read, the only way in which homosexuals are "born that way" is a genetic predisposition. That doesn't guarantee that they will be gay. I don't believe that all gays were born gay. I believe there could be a small percentage who genetically were more predisposed that others, but I don't believe that because a person has those genetic markers that they will absolutely become homosexual."

    Yes, I have heard of this theory as well...and I have also read that all men are homosexuals (in the Naked Ape, by Desmond Morris) by nature that may or may not choose to engage in gay relationships. Freud also concluded that all men have a predisposition to be gay (and those who are homophobic are afraid of confronting the gay in themselves) only most sublime that side of them [he reached this conclusion after finding out that he felt attracted to Jung, and decided to analyse this emotion].
    Now, we are more than our bodies (and you know this), so I do not think that genetics rule over our behaviour...it may command how the body functions, but not how our mind behaves (this belongs to the realm of the mind, of the unconsciencious, of the soul, of the spirit).

    "I think it is unfair to say that "God created gays". God did create man, and certain social, genetic, and biological difficulties come along with being human. But I think it is unfair to make it sound like God purposefully made people homosexual."

    It is not unfair at all - God creates men (as you so well said) and when He does so He knows what that person will do and how it will behave; doesn't He?

    "God created us all, but I don't believe He intended for anyone to be homosexual."

    Let's say that you are right: does this give us the right to disrespect homosexuals? Is it ethical to hate another human being based on its sexual preferences?

    "I think that is one of the things that comes along with mortality, but it certainly isn't what was intended for the perpetuation of mankind, which was God's goal in making us male and female."

    I agree with you: men and women were created to perpetuate mankind - that is their destiny, God's plan.
    But what about those heterosexuals who do not fulfil this plan by choice? Are they an aberration as well?

    "That being said, I do agree that He loves us all, and looks at us all as wonderful creations. He intends for us to all love each other, and to all be kind to each other."

    Thank you!

    (To be continued...)

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  7. D,

    Part II

    "But what does a person do, who honestly believes that homosexuality is against God's commandments? In my religion, we believe that what the Bible teaches is that homosexuality is against God's commandments. You, or others might interpret those scriptures differently, and that is your right, but that doesn't diminish the fact that we feel it is against God's commandments."

    If you, and the people who think like you, do not incite hate against homosexuals and you respect them as human beings...then be free to think, and interpret the scriptures, as you may - thank God, we live in a free world and we all have the right to believe and think in whatever we want.

    "What are we to do when it is actually a conflict of belief for us? I don't believe changing our belief to be politically correct is right. That would be a conflict of religious integrity. Either we believe it is okay, or we don't."

    D, treating a person with respect (and leaving its sexual life out of social relations) should not represent a conflict of belief to anybody.
    I agree with you; no one should bend to politically correctness (the Lord knows I don't), but again respect has nothing to do with what is politically correct (i.e. hypocrisy); respect for others (regardless their nationality, gender, race, religion and/or sexual preference) is a moral value.

    "I think what you should focus more on, is not on whether homosexuality is morally right, but on how we should treat others whose moral behaviors are different than ours. I can disagree with their lifestyle, but still believe in being Christlike to them."

    I wish more people would think like you, D - but unfortunately, they don't.

    D, thank you ever so much for this outstanding comment (even though we seem to disagree in many themes, I value & respect your thoughts a lot) :D!

    Cheers

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  8. Ciao Dux :D!

    "When I was a high school (and later on, a college) student we used to make fun of, and sometimes intimidate, other young men that would look effeminate. The sad thing was that adults wouldn't tell us that such behaviour was harmful and improper."

    Shocking! Well, I am not surprised those adults wouldn't warn you against that type of behaviour...for, in the past, homosexuality was even less understood than it is today *nodding*...(although in the Roman Empire it was very well understood and accepted, right? But perhaps, Christianity influenced the change of mentality...)

    "Nowadays I am on my fifties and I have had gay co-workers who were both professional and socially outstanding, and fantastic colleagues so: most of the time, if not always, people are more than their sexual lives."

    I am glad you saw the light :D!
    I agree with you, Probus!!

    Dux, Thank you so much for having shared your personal experience with us; I loved it and learned a lot :D!

    Cheers

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  9. Max,

    Your post proves that we all have twisted minds no matter who you are or what you do.
    Sex took charge of our lives because the essence of being a human is less important than whatever is done between the sheets.

    A gay person is no different from a straight one but, due to psychological insecurities, we managed to contradict God and science by ostracizing others, thus creating a whole new human breed: how presumptuous of us...

    Well, Max...to sum it up: we declare without any mental reservation that each time a hate crime is committed on our watch: shame and guilt should be upon all of us.

    Good job, girl!

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  10. Hello Max,

    "Looney, homophobia means "fear of or intense hatred for homosexuals" ..."

    This definition refers to the emotional response only. There are, it seems to me, three levels of response: 1) emotional 2) how we treat individuals 3) what we think society's policies should be.

    Our instincts naturally tell us that certain things are repulsive, which is why gays are so often teased. Thus, if we simply use the dictionary definition, we are still compelled to condemn the majority of the human race based on their natural instincts.

    As a Christian, I am taught to repress those natural feelings and treat people with respect, because God wants me to and because I recognize my own shortcomings. An example of this is when a noisy and smelly homeless person sits next to me in the coffee shop. Yes, I am repulsed - I have a stinkypersonphobia - but I give greater precedence to my Christian principles so that I might be inclined to start up a conversation and try to make friends. How I vote with regard to homeless policy, however, is another issue.

    Is your definition of homophobia referring to the emotional only?

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  11. Hi Max,

    You have covered the topic well and I am trying to add something valid if I can. This continues to be a hot button issue, especially in California. It's a shame that everyone is not treated equally. Society seems to castigate certain groups or individuals and keep them down to a level in which they can control. What society doesn't realize is that those groups or individuals have a voice and it gets louder with each act of injustice.

    I wonder what causes perversion? I wonder if it is unhappiness, or fulfilling dark fantasies or a myriad of other things. I wish I knew.

    "Our body, our flesh is a fantasy costume...it’s an illusion. Reality is what emanates from behind the mask: the spirit."

    Well said.

    "We incarnate to evolve."

    This is it in a nutshell. We are here to evolve and we each have different steps to take to get to God realization. All we have to do is exercise love and compassion and think how it must feel to walk in someone else's shoes.

    I hope this comment made a bit of since. I have been writing all day and I think I am fading out.
    Anyway, well done my dear.

    Btw, great new header. I especially like "Intellectually Sexy."

    Compassionate Cheers!

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  12. I simply don't understand homophobia. To me, what people do in their bedroom is their business. If we start discriminating, where do we stop?

    So if homosexuality is wrong for some, how about being in love with someone from a different culture/ religion? How about marrying someone younger/ older?

    There is no end!

    Homosexuality had always existed and always will. It's interesting to notice some old civilizations (the Roman...) had a more open mind than some people nowadays. Homosexuality wasn't tabooed back then!

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  13. Hi! Growing up straight-laced my first encounter with others of a different persuasion was when I first started at St Vincent’s.

    Never daunted by these encounters even though at times I would have been considered prudish, I was still open minded believe it or not and never showed them resentment, if you can call it that, for being gay.

    I was always shown respect and courtesy by these men. Mind you, I did get ripped off by a female acquaintance, who never in my wildness dreams would I have ever considered gay until I saw her kissing a girl! Mores the pity for me but that’s another story.

    When without a home, I was taken in by two of the nicest men I had ever come across. Never did they attempt anything funny, as they knew I was straight.

    They and others like them that worked at St Vincents, even went out of their way to tell me what girls liked me. Now, that was handy!

    Homophobia was the accepted thing way back then and our ignorance and religious teachings didn’t help things. Not until later did I know better.

    Take Care,
    Peter

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  14. Hey C.C :D!

    "Your post proves that we all have twisted minds no matter who you are or what you do. Sex took charge of our lives because the essence of being a human is less important than whatever is done between the sheets."

    lol well, it can be said that we are all a bit twisted indeed...it is all part of human complexity, I guess.
    That is sad...*nodding*...

    "A gay person is no different from a straight one but, due to psychological insecurities, we managed to contradict God and science by ostracizing others, thus creating a whole new human breed: how presumptuous of us..."

    I totally agree with you.

    "Well, Max...to sum it up: we declare without any mental reservation that each time a hate crime is committed on our watch: shame and guilt should be upon all of us."

    And I say Amen to that! Every single one of us is guilty of any display and expression of hate every time we hear people telling dirty jokes about homosexuals and we either silence or laugh at it; every time we see someone bashing a gay person and do nothing; every time we allow dogmae to overshadow human decency and ethics and every time we forget that we are all the same.

    "Good job, girl!"

    Thanks, Circulus Ciceronis *bowing*!

    C.C, thank you ever so much for your outstanding input; it is a true pleasure talking to you guys :D!

    Cheers

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  15. Hi Looney,

    "This definition refers to the emotional response only. There are, it seems to me, three levels of response: 1) emotional 2) how we treat individuals 3) what we think society's policies should be."

    Hmm, I am aware of the different classifications of homophobia...but in the end, homophobia is homophobia. The discrimination doesn't stop being so only because we would like to intellectualise it.
    It doesn't matter if you are homophobic either to protect the concept of masculinity; or because one is afraid of being identified as gay; or because one fears to confront its own sexual orientation; or because it wants to repress its homosexual desires; or because one is disgusted by them; or simply because one thinks that gays are a threat to family values - if one feels repulsed by another human being simply because of its sexual orientation and, suggests & encourages others that those humans are scum that should be wiped off the face of the earth...than you bet that individual is homophobic (no matter how many levels of response there might be). And when that individual uses the name of God to act irrational and unethically against others...it makes us wonder who is worthless after all.

    "Our instincts naturally tell us that certain things are repulsive, which is why gays are so often teased. Thus, if we simply use the dictionary definition, we are still compelled to condemn the majority of the human race based on their natural instincts."

    Yes, certain things may be repulsive to us; but gay people are not "things" they are human just like you and me.
    So, be it...if the majority of the human race is wrong and guilty of prejudice: they are to be reproached and disempowered (just like it has been in so many other subjects, in the past).

    "An example of this is when a noisy and smelly homeless person sits next to me in the coffee shop. Yes, I am repulsed - I have a stinkypersonphobia - but I give greater precedence to my Christian principles so that I might be inclined to start up a conversation and try to make friends. How I vote with regard to homeless policy, however, is another issue."

    "stinkypersonphobia" LOL LOL very creative LOL!
    I agree that you do not have to agree with certain policies regarding gay people (ex: gay marriage) and that does not make of you a homophobic; however...when you offer an example where you suggest that a gay person is as repulsive as a "noise and smelly homeless person"...yeah, that could label you as such.

    "Is your definition of homophobia referring to the emotional only?"

    My definition of homophobia is referring to any expression that might incite people to brutality against other human beings (solely based on their sexual preferences).

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  16. Hey Lady A :D!

    "You have covered the topic well and I am trying to add something valid if I can."

    Thank you *bowing*! Let's hear your thoughts...

    "This continues to be a hot button issue, especially in California. It's a shame that everyone is not treated equally. Society seems to castigate certain groups or individuals and keep them down to a level in which they can control. What society doesn't realize is that those groups or individuals have a voice and it gets louder with each act of injustice."

    *nodding in agreement* so true...

    "I wonder what causes perversion? I wonder if it is unhappiness, or fulfilling dark fantasies or a myriad of other things. I wish I knew."

    Perversion is caused by many negative things; but its Master is fear.

    "Well said."

    *bowing* thank you.

    "We are here to evolve and we each have different steps to take to get to God realization. All we have to do is exercise love and compassion and think how it must feel to walk in someone else's shoes."

    Absolutely!! Exactly: we need to love and be compassionate towards others. We must always see the two sides of the coin (when it comes to human relations).

    "I hope this comment made a bit of since. I have been writing all day and I think I am fading out. Anyway, well done my dear."

    Your comment made utter sense, darling :D! I know how you feel! Thank you so much, girl *bowing*!

    "Btw, great new header. I especially like "Intellectually Sexy.""

    Thanks, I am glad you liked it! lol well...you know how we do ;)...

    Lady A, thank you ever so much for your great input...I missed you sexy brain :D!

    Truly Compassionate Cheers

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  17. Hey Zhu :D!

    "I simply don't understand homophobia. To me, what people do in their bedroom is their business. If we start discriminating, where do we stop?"

    I hear you. Exactly: it is none of our business. If we yield to further discrimination (which we are trying hard to diminish as much as we can) we will go back to the middle ages...

    "So if homosexuality is wrong for some, how about being in love with someone from a different culture/ religion? How about marrying someone younger/ older?"

    Excellent point!

    "Homosexuality had always existed and always will. It's interesting to notice some old civilizations (the Roman...) had a more open mind than some people nowadays. Homosexuality wasn't tabooed back then!"

    True. That's exactly what I told one of my readers: the Romans accepted it quite well (and God knows they did their share of discrimination...let's not talk about women's rights back then). And society is supposed to evolve as centuries go by, but no...it insists on having these annoying regressive cycles.

    Zhu, thank you so so much for your comment; you have addressed important points :D!

    Cheers

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  18. Hi Peter :D!

    "Never daunted by these encounters even though at times I would have been considered prudish, I was still open minded believe it or not and never showed them resentment, if you can call it that, for being gay"

    That is wonderful, Peter *big smile*!

    "I was always shown respect and courtesy by these men. Mind you, I did get ripped off by a female acquaintance, who never in my wildness dreams would I have ever considered gay until I saw her kissing a girl! Mores the pity for me but that’s another story."

    You were misled by a gay lady? That is cold! There are a lot of gay men who also mislead women...I do not concur with it; I think it is preferable to come out of the closet.

    "When without a home, I was taken in by two of the nicest men I had ever come across. Never did they attempt anything funny, as they knew I was straight."

    :D

    "They and others like them that worked at St Vincents, even went out of their way to tell me what girls liked me. Now, that was handy!"

    LOL LOL LOL I hear you!

    "Homophobia was the accepted thing way back then and our ignorance and religious teachings didn’t help things. Not until later did I know better."

    And I am glad you saw the light, Peter.

    Pete, I am amazed by your humanity! Thank you so much for sharing your personal experience with us; I appreciated it :D!

    Cheers

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  19. Max:

    I'm so sorry, but I simply don't have the energy to put forth an argument on this issue. I have read all the other comments and, talk about crazy, I agree with both sides.

    I don't agree, however, that homosexuality is not a sin.

    Good luck with this troubling issue.

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  20. Hey Max another controversial topic which you again handled well.

    Again it is society as a whole that makes these sad and wrong judgement calls, being a Christian I know lots of other Christians that think it is a sin but still love the person because we are all Gods children and created equal.

    I don't know but the older I get the more forgiving I get and try to understand where someone is coming from as opposed to find immediate fault if they don't follow the exact rule of the Bible, I may have been a Bible thumper at one time but found it didn't do anybody any good, I'm thinking now only God for sure has all the right answers, more praying for a person and less praying at.

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  21. Max, lots of good points here. You know I have nothing against gay. I know few, and have no issues with any. However, they gay parade we have here in Toronto is getting too much. I know that automatically we think about the sexual stuff if comes to gay, but that is what they trying to show us....somethings are too much. Oh well, may be just that crowd. Max hope all is well with you, and you have a good weekend, I guess what's left, lol. Anna :)

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  22. Max, As always your posts reflect tolerance, acceptance and love for all mankind and that is how it should be. I'm so glad to know there are gentle spirits in the world who don't know the meaning of hatred and bigotry.

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  23. hmmm....after all the serious detailed discussion, I'm really short of words now....but yea from what I understand from here the debate is between liberalism and a perversion, but as you have mentioned in the post somewhere of God seeing homosexual relationships as awful & disgust...at that point I think people are viewing things in general...we all like to go by some stereotypes and follow on the practice adopted from our previous generations....change indeed is painful but somewhere inevitable also...without wanting to take any sides I only feel there should be a serious debate in our society and culture(which rightly so is going on in the different cultures of the world now) and I believe a larger consensus will evolve automatically and both sides will come to find a ground which will be mutually agreeable to them....nice reading!

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  24. Maximus Invectiveus...

    Well my response may surprise some here...

    I am a sinner....

    First as you know I am a Jesus follower thus I am not religious. Genuine followers of Jesus understand that it is not about being “religious”, or being “good”. We understand that it is about turning from our sin by faith alone to Jesus alone and receiving His free gift of grace alone to the glory of God alone...He will transform our lives...

    However I shall endeavour to play the opposition roll for the sake of a good conversation about the sin of homosexuality.

    Homophobia is an irrational fear of homosexuality. I am neither irrational nor fearful of homosexuality either in the form of gay men or lesbians (or transgendered for that matter). Just as heterosexuals can sin sexually so can homosexual people. As a heterosexual I actively sinned sexually before becoming a Jesus follower. I was involved with sexual behaviour with multiple women I was not married to etc. I have sinned, I was wrong to sin and am guilty as charged (I am thus thankful for the afore mentioned grace).

    So let us be clear here...to say that homosexuality is sin is not the same as being homophobic.

    I have to say NEVER over the past 17 years since I became a follower of Jesus has this topic been preached on a Sunday morning Church service I was attending (as far as I can remember).

    I have MANY gay and lesbian friends (ALL of whom would say I am not homophobic etc). I do after all live in Metro Vancouver which has a very substantial and influential gay community. I have actually described lesbian scenes in stories at Life on the Blade (and taken heat for it). Exhibit A)
    http://lifeontheblade.blogspot.com/2008/12/yesterday-today-tomorrow.html

    Just as my past sexual encounters were sin so are homosexual activities. There are numerous portions of Scripture (both Old Testament and New) that make it clear that fornication is sin. Fornication is sex with a person you are not married to...Scripture makes it clear that marriage is intended to be between one man and one woman at a time and that sex must occur only within the marriage relationship.

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  25. PART 2

    I suppose it would be pertinent to provide at least one Bible verse to support my supposition so here is one (however there are very many):

    9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
    10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
    11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
    - - 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NASV (A literal translation of the Greek text. The Greek word used for “effeminate” would include transsexuals and transvestites. The Greek word used for “homosexuals” applies to men and women).

    So clearly what I did was a sin and what homosexuals do is a sin. When I became a follower of Jesus He transformed me and I admit those actions were sin and He changed me so that my life does not succumb to such sin any longer. Jesus will receive ALL who turn to Him and if they truly become His follower they will be transformed...The sins are listed and then we are told “Such were some of you; but you were washed but you were sanctified...” Sanctification is life transformation...

    Just as it would be wrong for a Jesus follower to not tell me that it is wrong (sin) to be a fornicator or adulterer it would be wrong of them to not say that homosexuality is sin. If you love a person you will tell them the truth...if a person is physically poisoning themselves if you love them you will tell them that...the same is true of spiritual poison...

    I personally know numerous people that previously led gay and lesbian lifestyles but are now happily married to a person of the opposite gender for numerous years...

    Remember ALL genuine followers of Jesus must admit they are sinners...I am a sinner...are you?

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  26. PS.....

    Thanks for the ad on top of your sidebar for Art of the Kiss!!!!!!

    http://artofthekiss.blogspot.com/

    Love ya gal.....

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  27. Hi Swu :D!

    "I'm so sorry, but I simply don't have the energy to put forth an argument on this issue. I have read all the other comments and, talk about crazy, I agree with both sides."

    It's ok, man :)! lol there are a lot of good points on both sides to agree with, so nothing crazy there ;)...

    "I don't agree, however, that homosexuality is not a sin."

    You are entitled to your personal opinion, mate *bowing*.

    "Good luck with this troubling issue."

    You reckon it is troubling? Not to me...

    Swu, thank you ever so much for your input on this; I know it is not an easy topic :D!

    Cheers

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  28. Hi Bob :D!

    "Hey Max another controversial topic which you again handled well."

    Thank you, my friend *bowing*!

    "Again it is society as a whole that makes these sad and wrong judgement calls, being a Christian I know lots of other Christians that think it is a sin but still love the person because we are all Gods children and created equal."

    You are right: it is society as a whole to blame *nodding*. That is beautiful, Bob...you are fortunate to know real Christians :).

    "I don't know but the older I get the more forgiving I get and try to understand where someone is coming from as opposed to find immediate fault if they don't follow the exact rule of the Bible, I may have been a Bible thumper at one time but found it didn't do anybody any good, I'm thinking now only God for sure has all the right answers, more praying for a person and less praying at."

    Well said!! *standing ovation*

    Bob, Bob, Bob...outstanding, simply outstanding: thank you, thank you and thank you :D!

    Cheers

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  29. Hi Anna :D!

    "Max, lots of good points here. You know I have nothing against gay. I know few, and have no issues with any."

    Thanks, girl *bowing*. I know you don't. Same with me...

    "However, they gay parade we have here in Toronto is getting too much. I know that automatically we think about the sexual stuff if comes to gay, but that is what they trying to show us....somethings are too much. Oh well, may be just that crowd."

    Anna, you have brought an interesting point: not even I approve of their gay parade; and it is not because it is gay (even if it were a heterosexual parade with heavy sexual charge I would still not approve), it is because their "festivity" boarders pornography (and I detest vulgarity).

    "Max hope all is well with you, and you have a good weekend, I guess what's left, lol."

    Darling, everything is well indeed, thanks :D! Thank you, I did have a good weekend...I gather you had one too! :)

    Anna, thank you so much for your valuable input (you have brought up a subject that so far no one had), I loved it :D!

    Cheers

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  30. Hi MW :D!

    "Max, As always your posts reflect tolerance, acceptance and love for all mankind and that is how it should be. I'm so glad to know there are gentle spirits in the world who don't know the meaning of hatred and bigotry."

    *Bowing* thank you, dear! There a lot of gentle spirits in this world, and you are one of them :).

    MW, thank you so much for your kind words :D!

    Cheers

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  31. Hi Kalyan :D!

    but yea from what I understand from here the debate is between liberalism and a perversion, but as you have mentioned in the post somewhere of God seeing homosexual relationships as awful & disgust...at that point I think people are viewing things in general...we all like to go by some stereotypes and follow on the practice adopted from our previous generations"

    *nodding in agreement*....indeed...

    "....change indeed is painful but somewhere inevitable also..."

    True, so very true, my friend...

    "without wanting to take any sides I only feel there should be a serious debate in our society and culture(which rightly so is going on in the different cultures of the world now) and I believe a larger consensus will evolve automatically and both sides will come to find a ground which will be mutually agreeable to them....nice reading!"

    I think so too, Kalyan; I think that eventually we will reach a favourable consensus.
    Thanks :D!

    My friend, thank you so much for your wisdom - what a blessing!

    Cheers

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  32. LSimus

    "Maximus Invectiveus..."

    LOL invectiva, ego? Ah...et tu, LSus? LOL

    "Well my response may surprise some here..."

    Oh my...let's hear it!

    "I am a sinner...."

    Yes, that we know...

    "First as you know I am a Jesus follower thus I am not religious. Genuine followers of Jesus understand that it is not about being “religious”, or being “good”. We understand that it is about turning from our sin by faith alone to Jesus alone and receiving His free gift of grace alone to the glory of God alone...He will transform our lives..."

    So you keep saying....yes.

    "As a heterosexual I actively sinned sexually before becoming a Jesus follower. I was involved with sexual behaviour with multiple women I was not married to etc. I have sinned, I was wrong to sin and am guilty as charged (I am thus thankful for the afore mentioned grace)."

    198. LS, you have been forgiven so let it go, man. God has already forgiven and forgotten.

    "So let us be clear here...to say that homosexuality is sin is not the same as being homophobic."

    It is clear...

    "I have to say NEVER over the past 17 years since I became a follower of Jesus has this topic been preached on a Sunday morning Church service I was attending (as far as I can remember)."

    You were lucky, cause I have...

    "Just as my past sexual encounters were sin so are homosexual activities. There are numerous portions of Scripture (both Old Testament and New) that make it clear that fornication is sin. Fornication is sex with a person you are not married to...Scripture makes it clear that marriage is intended to be between one man and one woman at a time and that sex must occur only within the marriage relationship."

    Ok, let's say that I go with what you are saying: if it is such a huge transgression why does God create gay people? Because He creates them, and upon their creation God knows that they will be gay, doesn't He? And since He creates them, what right do we have to judge them?
    Now, how do I know that the people who wrote about homosexuals (in the NT) weren't homophobes who allowed their fears to interfere with the doctrine? Yes, because Jesus (himself) never spoke of it...or did he?

    About sex outside the marriage...when the scriptures were written there was not the concept of "marriage" [a legal union between a man and a woman to become husband and wife] (which came about around the XVI century upon the Council of Trent) so, technically both in the OT and NT couples were having sex outside the marriage. But there was though the concept of union (to form a family).

    To be continued....

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  33. LSus,

    Part II

    "I suppose it would be pertinent to provide at least one Bible verse to support my supposition so here is one (however there are very many):"

    Again, Jesus spoke not this...therefore I do not acknowledge the authority in Saul (or in any other man) to speak of this. For all I know he allowed his fears to interfere with the teachings.

    "Jesus will receive ALL who turn to Him and if they truly become His follower they will be transformed..."

    By transformation (in gays), do you mean "turning into a heterosexual"?

    "If you love a person you will tell them the truth...if a person is physically poisoning themselves if you love them you will tell them that...the same is true of spiritual poison..."

    Hmmm...but how do I know that what you (the person who loves me) are telling me is really the Truth? What if your truth is not really True?

    "I personally know numerous people that previously led gay and lesbian lifestyles but are now happily married to a person of the opposite gender for numerous years..."

    Oh bisexuals...well, they are not the same as homosexuals, are they?

    "Remember ALL genuine followers of Jesus must admit they are sinners...I am a sinner...are you?"

    Darling, I am not a follower of Jesus, let alone "a genuine follower of Jesus"...so, I do not have to nurture an obsession with sin and I do not have to admit to be obsessed by it. I transgress though.

    LS, thank you ever so much for this most interesting conversation (you didn't surprise me, but it was rather agreeable) :D!

    Cheers

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  34. LSus,

    "Thanks for the ad on top of your sidebar for Art of the Kiss!!!!!!"

    You are welcome, darling :D! The MAX supports Life on the Blade and its network....*bowing*!

    "Love ya gal....."

    I love ya too, LSimus...

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  35. Just here to say I'm glad to see you back and that I try to catch up!

    I so much agree with you on this - in sum it up in this; The lack of rRespect for people and for what they are, is one the biggest threat in our world!

    Sorry I haven't been around that much lately as I have been touring France you know :-)

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  36. Hello Maximus Sweetyus Part 1

    "I am a sinner...."
    Yes, that we know...
    - The point needs to be made as it then becomes clear there is understanding and also humility in my response.

    “198. LS, you have been forgiven so let it go, man. God has already forgiven and forgotten.”

    - Obviously I know that as I mentioned grace. However once again the point must be made or people that say we should not judge others will judge me ;)

    "So let us be clear here...to say that homosexuality is sin is not the same as being homophobic."
    It is clear...
    - Excellent we are in agreement…

    "I have to say NEVER over the past 17 years since I became a follower of Jesus has this topic been preached on a Sunday morning Church service I was attending (as far as I can remember)."
    You were lucky, cause I have...

    - I was not necessarily saying this was good or bad just relating the information that this topic actually rarely comers up in most local Churches.

    “Ok, let's say that I go with what you are saying: if it is such a huge transgression why does God create gay people? Because He creates them, and upon their creation God knows that they will be gay, doesn't He? And since He creates them, what right do we have to judge them?
    Now, how do I know that the people who wrote about homosexuals (in the NT) weren't homophobes who allowed their fears to interfere with the doctrine? Yes, because Jesus (himself) never spoke of it...or did he?”

    - Well you are injecting a lot of hypothetical concepts into the conversation here. First although God has created the human race there is no evidence that He created some people gay. Even if there is a genetic component (something all of my gay friends have now given up on as the evidence is the contrary) this would not be from God. Never forget the Fall…The original “good” of creation is broken, we are not as we should be….we are sinners…God no more made people to be gay than to be adulterers (which He did not do)…Its our problem not His…however He graciously offers a solution to our sin…I purposely have injected my sexual sin into the conversation as the “gay conversation” does not need to focus squarely on such activities. I understand that with your rather “fatalistic” (I am not sure what other word to use here Max, it is not intended harshly etc) view of God’s will and our freewill that it may seem to you that this is God’s “fault” but it is not. We have freewill…LOL I would say there is no evidence of homophobia in the Bible. Actually the Bible verse I provided proves the opposite. God loves homosexual people so much that Jesus died for them…and that’s from the Holy Spirit inspired words of Paul…Jesus speaks of marriage being between one woman and one man….however I am not falling for a false dichotomy that is often used in this type of conversation. Jesus words are no more important than those of other portions of the Bible. They all come from the Holy Spirit…God. To say Jesus words are more important than Paul’s for example is to attempt to negate God.

    “About sex outside the marriage...when the scriptures were written there was not the concept of "marriage" [a legal union between a man and a woman to become husband and wife] (which came about around the XVI century upon the Council of Trent) so, technically both in the OT and NT couples were having sex outside the marriage. But there was though the concept of union (to form a family).”

    - Max I love you but you are in error here. We have many documented sources that speak of the legal union of husband and wife from ancient times (a faith based marriage was also legal) The Roman Empire had laws on such marriages. Large portions of the OT and NT speak about marriage, inheritance etc…Family law was alive and well in ancient times…The Council of Trent is a none-starter…Of course that council says I am going to Hell :) That’s the Roman Catholic system…
    Continued…

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  37. Max..

    Part 2

    "I suppose it would be pertinent to provide at least one Bible verse to support my supposition so here is one (however there are very many):"
    “Again, Jesus spoke not this...therefore I do not acknowledge the authority in Saul (or in any other man) to speak of this. For all I know he allowed his fears to interfere with the teachings. “

    - All of the Bible is the inspired Word of God…not just the parts we like…Jesus words are not about the words the Holy Spirit inspired in Paul for example. Plus as I said earlier the verse I provided is a good example refuting homophobia…and irrational fear of homosexuality…Paul is neither irrational nor fearful.

    "Jesus will receive ALL who turn to Him and if they truly become His follower they will be transformed..."
    “By transformation (in gays), do you mean "turning into a heterosexual"?”

    - Transformation is technically called sanctification. This process is God moving us away from sin towards being the kind of persons God wants us to be. Whatever that is I am happy with it. However we must keep in mind that adultery, and fornication by heterosexuals is as much a sin as homosexuality.

    "If you love a person you will tell them the truth...if a person is physically poisoning themselves if you love them you will tell them that...the same is true of spiritual poison..."
    “Hmmm...but how do I know that what you (the person who loves me) are telling me is really the Truth? What if your truth is not really True?”

    - If I were you I would do an immense in-depth study of the entire Bible from multiple sources. However I suggest that you should be a bit faster than the 9 years it took me studying all the worlds belief systems (actually I have never stopped). The truth of Scripture is evident to reasonable research. What if your truth is not true?

    "I personally know numerous people that previously led gay and lesbian lifestyles but are now happily married to a person of the opposite gender for numerous years..."
    “Oh bisexuals...well, they are not the same as homosexuals, are they?”

    - LOL No hard core gay’s and lesbians that are now heterosexual Jesus followers…I know MANY of them personally. I also had sex with many hard core lesbians; I was invited into sexual encounters with lesbian couples many times. However through my experiences I have not yet met a genuine lesbian…and I am sure the same is true of gay men…

    Darling, I am not a follower of Jesus, let alone "a genuine follower of Jesus"...so, I do not have to nurture an obsession with sin and I do not have to admit to be obsessed by it. I transgress though.
    - So you have things right with God through self-righteousness? (Just as question)

    Great conversation!

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  38. Hey Renny :D!

    "Just here to say I'm glad to see you back and that I try to catch up!"

    Thanks, my friend :D!

    "I so much agree with you on this - in sum it up in this; The lack of rRespect for people and for what they are, is one the biggest threat in our world!"

    Hear! Hear! Now you have said it all!

    "Sorry I haven't been around that much lately as I have been touring France you know :-)"

    It's ok, I know you have been having a blast in France! I read your posts yesterday and I loved them :)!

    Renny, thanks for having dropped by and shared your thoughts with us! :D

    Cheers

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  39. Hi LSimus!

    Part I

    "Hello Maximus Sweetyus"

    LOL LOL LOL...I thought we had come to an agreement on the use of such adjectives LOL *nodding*...

    "- Obviously I know that as I mentioned grace. However once again the point must be made or people that say we should not judge others will judge me ;)"

    LOL LOL LOL you got a point there lol ;)...

    "First although God has created the human race there is no evidence that He created some people gay."

    But it can't be said that He didn't either. Plus, He said that He created everything (everything on earth and above in the sky), so it is logical to infer that yes, He created all of us including gay people.

    "Even if there is a genetic component (something all of my gay friends have now given up on as the evidence is the contrary) this would not be from God."

    Genes are part of matter, right? Did God create matter?

    "LOL I would say there is no evidence of homophobia in the Bible."

    That doesn't mean that there was not homophobia and that some authors of the NT weren't homophobes.
    I can write a book describing events that I witnessed and leave out my real thoughts on certain issues; the same way I can add some information that was not exactly witnessed on that particular event...

    "and that’s from the Holy Spirit inspired words of Paul…"

    I do not believe in this...

    "To say Jesus words are more important than Paul’s for example is to attempt to negate God."

    Jesus was sent by God, Himself. Saul was a convert who thought to be more of a Jesus' follower than all the rest.
    Jesus focused on the soul, on being a good, compassionate, forgiving, loving human being; whereas Saul decided to focus more on human behaviour and on castration.

    "- Max I love you but you are in error here."

    Than it is good that you love me, for love corrects people...it sets them in the right path (which I am sure you will attempt to do)... :)

    "Large portions of the OT and NT speak about marriage, inheritance etc…Family law was alive and well in ancient times…"

    Does it speak of marriage or of union? Because in the OT and NT does not speak of a rabbi under a chuppah with a couple marrying them, does it? No. However, if speaks of families agreeing between themselves the union of their children...yes?

    "The Council of Trent is a none-starter…Of course that council says I am going to Hell :) That’s the Roman Catholic system…"

    LOL LOL LOL are you a lawyer, then? LOL LOL...
    Leave Roman Catholics be, LS...

    Continued…

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  40. LS,

    Part II

    "- All of the Bible is the inspired Word of God…not just the parts we like…Jesus words are not about the words the Holy Spirit inspired in Paul for example. Plus as I said earlier the verse I provided is a good example refuting homophobia…and irrational fear of homosexuality…Paul is neither irrational nor fearful."

    The OT was inspired by God, the NT was based on events in Jesus' life and his teachings (and sometimes based on some personal views, in the case of Saul).
    Saul was fearful of his own doubts; and that is why he was such a radical. Then his radical views led him to write irrational ideas (will you ask me to introduce evidence?).

    "- Transformation is technically called sanctification. This process is God moving us away from sin towards being the kind of persons God wants us to be. Whatever that is I am happy with it. However we must keep in mind that adultery, and fornication by heterosexuals is as much a sin as homosexuality."

    What if God sanctifies a person while it being gay? Is this impossible to God?
    There are people who are heretosexuals, who do not commit adultery nor fornication and yet are rotten souls...God would easily sanctify a gay person (if it were a good individual) rather than this heterosexual. What I am trying to say here is: God cares about the quality of your soul primarily (how do you nurture it while on earth) and then about you fulfilling the missing He designed for you.

    " The truth of Scripture is evident to reasonable research. What if your truth is not true?"

    The Four Seasons of Truth....
    Do I have a truth, LS? I never claim to bear a truth nor do I impose any...I leave that to you, darling *bowing*.

    "- LOL No hard core gay’s and lesbians that are now heterosexual Jesus followers…I know MANY of them personally. I also had sex with many hard core lesbians; I was invited into sexual encounters with lesbian couples many times. However through my experiences I have not yet met a genuine lesbian…and I am sure the same is true of gay men…"

    Well, obviously the ones you know were not hard core homosexuals.

    "- So you have things right with God through self-righteousness? (Just as question)"

    I have things right with God by nurturing my soul properly and by fulfilling the mission He sent me for.

    "Great conversation!"

    No doubt!! *High Five*

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  41. I agree that the use of the term "homophobic" inaccurately connotes a sickness of mind, an actual phobia, when indeed, such perception or aversion is more of a matter of taste, conditioning, or value judgment.

    I commend you for bringing out these points, Max. So often society gets snared on sound bytes and the oxymoron becomes the truth.

    Bravo for a great post. I think sexuality is a matter of personal choice, and as long as no one is being exploited or hurt, I don't care WHAT a person's sexual preference or proclivity is! (I'll make an exception for necrophilia, as that is exploitative.)

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  42. Hi Lynda :D!

    "I agree that the use of the term "homophobic" inaccurately connotes a sickness of mind, an actual phobia, when indeed, such perception or aversion is more of a matter of taste, conditioning, or value judgment."

    I hear you...

    "I commend you for bringing out these points, Max. So often society gets snared on sound bytes and the oxymoron becomes the truth."

    Thank you so much, darling *bowing*...
    You are right about that.

    "Bravo for a great post. I think sexuality is a matter of personal choice, and as long as no one is being exploited or hurt, I don't care WHAT a person's sexual preference or proclivity is! (I'll make an exception for necrophilia, as that is exploitative.)"

    Grazie, darling *bowing*! I totally agree with you: it is a metter of personal choice. Hear, Hear!!

    Lynda, thanks a million for your input (most valuable and full of wisdom) :D!

    Cheers

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  43. Hi Max, this is definitely a courageous post! I'm having a nosebleed with all the comments here. LOL! I don't know what to think about homosexuality anymore. Someone very close to me is gay. I love her just the same. :)

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  44. Hi April :D!

    "Hi Max, this is definitely a courageous post! I'm having a nosebleed with all the comments here. LOL! I don't know what to think about homosexuality anymore. Someone very close to me is gay. I love her just the same. :)"

    LOL a nosebleed, eh? I can get that LOL...
    Don't think anything...just keep loving her :D!

    April, thanks for having dropped by and shared your opinion with us :D!

    Cheers

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